I know you rate him but do you actually believe what you're even saying???
I'm not even a Bentancur fan (after injury....before I was a massive fan) but I mean one thing is Positional sense.
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I'm not even a Bentancur fan (after injury....before I was a massive fan) but I mean one thing is Positional sense.
I’m the same with RB before and after his injury
Maybe I’m not smart enough at watching football but I don’t see anything about RBs positioning that is special.
Palinha definitely has positioning sense that my dumb eyes can see because he’s always where he needs to be but RB I don’t see it
Yeh this is the thing with this place. When someone makes it clear they rate a player they become infatuated with being right rather then what the evidence shows.
He has been atrocious playing in midfield for us and alright when playing centre back. His Positional sense has been non existent and he's been 5 yards or so behind play meaning he chases shadows.
To say Bentancur is not a better player than him now is absolutely incredible. You think Ange and Frank are just randomly deciding to not play him?
Bentancurs positional sense is not special at all....I wouldn't even say it's particularly good. it's just hundreds times better than Grays currently.
I’m saying the exact same for people who decide they don’t rate a player and become infatuated with being right. Especially when they never wanted the player signed.
Granted it was Burnley but AGs second half performance at the 6 vs Burnley was part of the best our MF has looked all season. At least in possession.
You're acting like them mate. you might not see it, but trust me it's the exact same thing you're accusing those people of doing.
Burnley put up zero attacking threat.They literally played to not get beaten badly, they had no desire to do anything else.
So are you though mate.
RB is ahead of Gray for experience, especially in the CL. His track record and career CV earns him a space above Gray in the rotation. As it should tbh.
It’s up to Gray as a young player to prove he’s more worthy of those minutes. Compare his performance vs Burnley and Bentancur vs Vlllareal last night - 2 teams with a similar approach- and what I’m saying is Gray is already starting to show that he’s taking that place in the rotation.
Bentancur’s performance against PSG was world class. He is capable of extremely high levels that Gray has not yet shown.
But that’s normal. Gray is still a kid. I’m excited for him and I hope he can get some good minutes this season to help his development. I hope he starts against Doncaster.
But that’s normal. Gray is still a kid. I’m excited for him and I hope he can get some good minutes this season to help his development. I hope he starts against Doncaster.
Seriously
Starting to take Bentancurs place in the rotation. Did you seriously just say that.
He wasnt even picked in the squad for the most recent game (and considering we have a few out injured is likely to be even further down pecking order in future), only performance this season was when we rested our whole first choice midfield against newly promoted and ultra defensive Burnley, after they played against the European champions and even in that game he was marked lowest of all our starters in rankings and was substituted first.
At this stage I would place Gray as the most expendable player in the squad, and wouldn’t be at all surprised if he goes out on loan to get some game time either to a low Premier or even a Championship club.
At this stage in his career,his best performances have come in our defence, and long term that really could be where he ends up.
Cool
Entitled to your opinion.
Don’t know why mine offends so many people but whatever.
At the end of the day, I’m interested in Spurs really challenging to win things instead of just surviving in the the top 6.
Rodri, Gravenberch, those are the lynchpin #6 at the two clubs who win the biggest trophies from our league. Both of them are able to win the ball and play with the ball.
IMO the likes of Palinha and Bentancur are short term solutions that can get us closer to surviving in the top 6 again, whereas the likes of Sarr, Bergvall and Gray have the ceiling to get us closer to winning the biggest trophies. Maybe they aren’t there yet and each is at a different stage of their development but for me, the sooner we get them to the level we need them, the sooner we have a chance.
I do agree that right now Bentancur is ahead of Gray in #6 and #8 places.
But that bolded statement is extremely weird. Given that Gray has played there 1 game. That we won.
I am not saying that he is brilliant because of that. But rather we don't really know his level yet.
Everything that happened under Ange has to be totally wiped away. His midfield setup was crime against football and there are better gameplans in U14 coaches binders than what he used. The decision to ignore Gray before and then throw him to wolves in Liverpool away is borderline abuse.
Very happy that Gray will be able to be used sensibly this season rather than flogged week in week out like last season.
He is currently 5th choice 6 and 8. Maybe will get some mins at RB in the domestic cups.
Think he's in a great place to develop now under Frank and with the likes of Palhinha around but he will not be playing much this season outside of another injury crisis.
He is currently 5th choice 6 and 8. Maybe will get some mins at RB in the domestic cups.
Think he's in a great place to develop now under Frank and with the likes of Palhinha around but he will not be playing much this season outside of another injury crisis.
I think he's referring to the mins Gray had limited thought they were in the Postecoglou car crash. He was very poor then, and just about okay against Burnley. The truth is he cost three times what Bergvall did he and is another who hasn't been helped by the cost and his total body of work is not impressive at Spurs. Say we not spend the 40 million, trust Donnely to take his mins and put that money toward another elite forward. We'd probably be better off.
Yeah it's a lot of money for what we have seen to date and now for effectively a rarely used squad player.
Still, in two years time it could look like a bargain if he emerges as the new Rice.
Loan to West Ham?
Yea, I mean I don't disagree with what you said. Bergvall is ahead of him and cost lot less.
But we don't really know his real level.
So from one side has not proven himself yet, but on the other hand it is way too early to make some very final judgements about him.
What I love is that he seems to have good ball control and ability to read the game and danger. Even in tackling he is good. However he does not seem to have that explosive first steps to get away from his man or to close down a player with good acceleration.
So anyway. Jury is very much out there. I'd expect us to be smarter in that regard by end of the season. Or even by end of 2025.
I think it’s his best attribute