Why would a DM need to be a goal threat?
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Player Archie Gray
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Why would a DM need to be a goal threat?
Good DM's chip in with some goals.
Zero threat is not good. You don't want a player who absolutely cannot shoot or score .
We have had those in the past.
Makelle was one of the very best ever. Very rarely scored
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14 shots. 4 on target. Nearly as many as us.
Kante too, won the league back-to-back with Leicester and Chelsea and only got 1 goal each season.
Tottenham Hotspur 3-0 Burnley: Richarlison double helps Spurs to impressive win
Two goals from Richarlison help Thomas Frank win his first Premier League match in charge of Tottenham against newly promoted Burnley.
14 shots. 4 on target. Nearly as many as us.
Burnley have since picked up points and forced Liverpool into a late penalty win.
Archie looked as good against their MF as any other team that’s played them and our MF looked the best it has all season that day
Bentancur is ok as a water carrier 8 but that’s about it. Gray isn’t too far off what RB can provide- he can possibly surpass him later this season and take his minutes/starts.
Gray is not as poor a player as you seem to suggest. He’s certainly not “hundreds of times” worse in positioning- maybe worse but not by that sort of magnitude. As a player we have under contract for a long time we ought to be looking to improve him and succeed Bentancur in the rotation. Bentancur for his own part is on an expiring contract and is unlikely to improve much further as a player.
There’s a reason Ange and Frank have both looked at Donley and decided he’s not on Archie’s level.
Every single one of our loanees should prove themselves over a full season in the champo or better league before they expect to play for us. I hope Donley is able to do that.
Exactly
I think Frank understands this as well. He’s got a balancing act to do with the way that he brings Gray in and as we saw with Salah and VvD last year, a player trying to earn a contract can be a powerful tool.
Haha
So the other poster alongside Arlison who was making the Archie Gray is really good and should be starting for us in the Champions League has just piped up.
My view, you are totally overrating his current abilities (he was our worst player in only game so far this season, and arguably worst midfield player we have seen for many years in the outings he had last season), the gap between him and every other one of our central midfielders is large at the moment.
The way we improve him is to get him minutes, at the moment realistically apart from Carabao Cup against low opposition, that’s most likely to be by improving whilst on loan elsewhere, as the drop off to him from any other in position is probably the largest differential, apart from Romero/van de ven to a second centre back we have.
Seriously though a player that cannot get into a 20 man squad, and you want him starting Champions League matches and to become our permanent starter. Seriously have a think what you are saying, and understand he his not being picked as starter, or even in squad at times, for a reason, and it is not just to spite you and others of that ilk.
I didn’t have you alongside Daveyboy, Allejo, Aphex and Thicktank whose player opinions generally are just hilarious and pointless, but will keep a lookout for a bit
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The point is more that Bentancur isn’t very good, and that Gray isn’t too far off him, and can surpass him with a bit of growth.
Bentancur offered nothing going forward for us. The only way Gray could be worse is if he was worse defensively , which he may be a bit right now, but he’s not far off even if so. I’d rather play Gray over Benta at this point Benta is a very boring ineffective player except in a defense and running sense, and he’s not even a credible 6.
These conversations don’t have to be judgments of other people’s mental capabilities- it’s good to have reasonable debate partners with whom you might be able to learn from and refine your view. That’s my perspective at least…
Gray is some way behind Bergvall and frankly wass hit and miss last season. He’s good enough to keep and develop for a while yet tho as he could become very good. He has had some good games. He’s somewhere between Tel and Bergvall !
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And Bentancur wasn’t hit and miss last season?
Probably not for you, as you always come up with an opinion, and try and justify it, even when every single of piece of evidence refutes it (see your stance in Summer Transfers for an example).
You do remind me of Igula, who left similar time as you joined by the way, who posted as often, and spouted as much rubbish as you tend to
FB is his easiest point of entry to get minutes this year.
We have 3 FBs in the squad right now and if we are going far in several comps, he is going to have to spell Porro at RB. Spence isn’t going to be able to both be our LB and cover Porro’s days off.
Get ready for VdV or even maybe Davies at LB. Gray might see minutes there if neither Porro or Spence are available.
Problem is that we have no one who can cover RB. Spence has emerged as our first choice LB although he’s a natural right footer. If he’s logging the minutes, he’s going to need a rest too. He can’t just come into the side to take Porro’s spot if he too is running on fumes.