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Player Archie Gray

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You’re right, but to be fair to him, it’s not his fault. He shouldn’t be in this position.

Can you imagine him even being a back up midfielder for City, Woolwich, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle, even Villa, United, the list goes on and on and on. Clubs we could and most certainly SHOULD be competing with. It’s just laughable to even fathom.
Yet, he’s starting in the Premier League for Tottenham. It’s absolutely scandalous.
Fair point, good post.
 
Archie last season was looking to pass the ball forward a lot.
This season not so much. Today not many progressive passes.
He made a few good defensive actions.
 
Atm Bit of nothing player - and not ready for the PL .
We can't afford to play someone with such limitations. No real attributes , offensively or defensively.
It's all fine - except other teams have more effective players in the same team - and they end up beating us.
 
Honestly our passing is shit, and Bentancur is selfish coward who only likes to pass backwards to the CBs, or to his buddy Porro. Gray is bypassed almost completely by our other players, who for some strange reason feel like they are too good to pass the ball to either Gray or Bergvall. It's really poor attacking ethics, and hurts our overall play greatly.

Bentancur was overloaded, he was the midfield, no support, he was getting run ragged because 1 man in midfield cant deal with 4 players by himself. Gray is bypassed by default, hiding, anonymous, total tool with no clue.
 
Had a bit of an odd one today. Felt like he didn’t really get into the game at all. Maybe as down to confidence being hurt a bit, but at this level you need to show up and be progressive or you can quickly find yourself forgotten
 
Same thing happened at anfield last year, they were streaming past Gray in the middle whole he did nothing. He's young but he's not the level required currently. I think a loan might do him good

We have done him, and many others, such a disservice by transferring in so many players who are young and promising but clearly below the levels we need. Gray, Tel, Odobert, Simons, etc.—none of them should be in our squad now, but we are stuck relying on a critical mass of them because of organizational malpractice.

I think this particularly applies to Gray, because I think that deep-lying midfielders have the steepest learning curve (this is obviously arguable) of any position on the pitch. The need to feel pressure, to take the ball on the half-turn in risky positions and make very quick decisions with it, all of that only comes with time. The lad is 19.
 
We have done him, and many others, such a disservice by transferring in so many players who are young and promising but clearly below the levels we need. Gray, Tel, Odobert, Simons, etc.—none of them should be in our squad now, but we are stuck relying on a critical mass of them because of organizational malpractice.

I think this particularly applies to Gray, because I think that deep-lying midfielders have the steepest learning curve (this is obviously arguable) of any position on the pitch. The need to feel pressure, to take the ball on the half-turn in risky positions and make very quick decisions with it, all of that only comes with time. The lad is 19.
That’s a great take on the situation

Him and bergval, the last ones I’m holding out for any hope

He has games where you can see real promise and then undoes all that good work by getting really found out in others

The pool and forest errors were similar. Caught napping and both occasions the players gone through him

The Forest one he has to step in to that pass and knock it
He waits for it and by the time it’s arrived he’s on his heels and it’s done for

2 similar mistakes that he either learns from and kicks on…. Or he’s just not switched on enough at the highest level

I’d play him ahead of palhinha as I agree it’s a bit too much responsibility to anchor the midfield
 
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This is where top managers come into their own, working with youngsters who have potential but are not quite there yet. Any manager can rotate players in & out but good managers know how to bring youngsters on.
I personally feel that A.G has tons of potential waiting to be developed.
 
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