Sure.
But to be honest he's still the least guilty of all on that goal.
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But to be honest he's still the least guilty of all on that goal.
In that season at Leeds, per the source you quote he played
Right. Back 30
Centre Mid. 10
Defensive Mid. 6
Attacking Mid 3
But as said,you really won’t care that these are the figures, you will just continue repeating your nonsense ad infinitum, as has already been pointed out to you on numerous previous occasions.
Tbh I was looking at Transfermarkt just now and did see those stats for that season like you put.
I don’t really get it because I checked before and I’m convinced his midfield appearances added to more. I must’ve been mistaken somehow
You post absolute, emotive slop that’s why
Do you think there might be a reason why you read the stats differently with Gray?
No, I don’t. Obviously you do but then again, you have a hang up about a teenager so…
You're his biggest cheerleader on this board tbf.
Most of us see him for what he is . A young squad player for a top club who should get a few minutes here and there, or else be on loan. We paid 2x what he was worth.
Most? Or a very noisy minority that have confirmation bias from each other every time there in an opportunity to confirm a position you’re married to?
I don’t see a majority either way but you only need to go back a couple pages to see a lot of people being very positive about Gray. I just shared a Harry Redknapp quote where he said he’s a future Spurs captain setting an example for senior players. Harry knows a thing or 2 about English young players, wouldn’t you agree?
He has his moments. But not nearly to the extent you hype the guy I'm afraid. Part of the problem we have is accepting, even welcoming, the "he'll come good, he's such a great prospect" view of team selection. It's not working. He's a youth player who just makes the squad. We got had for him tbh.
I don’t agree, neither does Harry Redknapp. Thats cool, we don’t all need to see things the same way
You have been incorrect with stats on two occasions now and both have been to defend Gray. You are not your usual calm and collected self when Gray is involved because your instant reaction is to find a way to spin something positively in his favour and something negative as another players/managers fault.
You stated no player should be judged under Frank when presented with damning stats about Gray then proceeded to tell everyone how rubbish Palhinha and Bentancur are the same exact day.
You stated stats are not "facts" and are not important then attempted to use stats to back up your claim that Gray is playing well in a game before the stats showed otherwise...then you said it doesn't matter anyway as you still think he's playing better then the other player lol.
Do you not see how all over the place you are? btw i like you overall as a poster so this isn't meant to be a dig at you.
I have been wrong on stats twice with Gray.
Stats aren’t everything.
Like I said, we don’t agree. I’m chilling in my corner with Harry Redknapp. I’ll happily leave you guys over there.
In fairness, you’ve also admitted to very strong performances from Gray in the Champions League and against the likes of Man City. Not too bad for a 19 year old, youth player that should only warm our bench, right?
And that's the point, take a more balanced view of him. You speak of him as a Rooney or Gazza type prodigy. He's not. He's good sometimes, and shite sometimes. He's a lower third PL player at best right now. And we have a few of those!
He’s a lower third PL player maybe but in the top echelon of 19 year old CM’s in Europe.
He’s certainly not a CM at this point and who are you comparing him to? Who are the other others in that list?
It’s getting a bit silly now, you’re trying to make him out to be something he isn’t to fit your rose tinted view of him.
Bollox
His best performances have been CM this season, other than the City game. Hes just versatile enuf to help us in a bind by covering different positions.
Spurs fans that love hating their own teenage players somehow hold that against him then give credit to senior players who can’t stay fit.
How many 19 year old CMs have played as much in the PL and CL, and also put up game effecting performances? Those are the 2 toughest leagues in the world,
He’s obviously not the best 19 year old CM but he’s in the top tier. Thats not even controversial.
Man said "game effecting performances"
I then put up the stats where he's literally the worst performing midfielder in his position in numerous aspects and he will simply ignore, say it's Franks fault then a week or so later will tell us about his exciting performances again.
Rinse and repeat.
I then put up the stats where he's literally the worst performing midfielder in his position in numerous aspects and he will simply ignore, say it's Franks fault then a week or so later will tell us about his exciting performances again.
Rinse and repeat.
in games where you agreed he effected the game
Now we lose a NLD where plenty played worse and you’re moving the goal posts to get back to you’re position…
Rinse and repeat