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The one thing Ive always maintained is that it's not spirit or bollocks that this team lacks. And we saw that again tonight, and with a bit of composure and nous to go with those bollocks we might just have scraped something out of this game.

I remain very perplexed by Poch's abject refusal to ever start with a 433. Even if he thought Barca were going to go with their more familiar 442, that 442 still would have effectively had Coutinho and Rakatic with Vidala and Busqettes, as well as Messi frequently dropping back there. How the fuck Poch thought a CM2 of Wanyama and the still very green Winks would cope with being outnumbered considerably, and by such quality players is baffling. Messi is always going to be Messi, the best hope is to tactically castrate him, by cutting off his supply line, and I honestly can't remember a Barca game against top calibre opposition lately where he's had so much of the game as he did tonight.

The only tactical explanation for playing a 4231 against this, would be if we were going to press like nutters from the front, but although there was some energy early on (and then in the last 20), it was rarely cohesive enough in that first half to prevent them playing out, and after about 20 minutes it got less and less coordinated, and one or two players would go, and another couple wouldn't, meaning they were able to knock the ball into midfield too easily and Messi was like a pig in shit.

If you put the structure (4231) together with the application (pressing that just wasn't vigorous or cohesive enough) and combine this with a bunch of forwards who give the ball away more than any other in the PL, and this was always likely to be a another one of those games that we've seen quite a few times now against teams like this (hard cohesive pressing, quick transitioning - Liverpool, ManC eg) where we find ourselves on the chase - often a gallant chase - but ultimately just a bit fucking naive.

I think there will be plenty of us that will suck the positives out of that game, those being that Poch has instilled spirit and bollocks, we don't go down without a fight, ever, and we have some good, well coached intentions that stand us in good stead, always, and in probably 95% of the games we play the good stuff he brings is - coaching, tactics, mentality - gets us where we want to go, and I think at times there was a better intensity about us, without the ball, tonight than in recent games, but I think it's only fair to point out that in quite a lot if these types of games, Poch's naivety can sometimes bite us on the arse too. We've ended up with 38% of the ball, but not because we were pragmatic, sat deep, stayed compact and stopped Barca playing through channels and lanes, but because we tried to do the opposite against a team who invented it and did it so much better than we did. They out worked us and outplayed us. Their press stopped us playing out or developing any rhythm, but our press was half arsed by comparison, and where they flooded midfield with 3-5 footballers, we had 2.

There was this little spell when they started to shell at 3-1 up when we got ourselves miraculously back in the game and had a tail wind, they couldn't pile forward with so little time, but even this phase was littered with our foibles. Sisssoko blasts a marvellous chance out of the stadium, Moura seem to whack it at a defender when it was easier to hit it goal wards, and then our clown of a keeper rubs salt into the already gaping wound he'd inflicted by playing a really stupid and unnecessary pass (something that's been his trademark for a long time), they press, Sissoko coughs it up too easily and it's game over.

We can lament another tough draw, and lack of some very key personnel, but we've been here before, with our best players too. People think I'm hard on Poch, but let me be clear, I think he's the best coach Ive seen in my lifetime at Spurs, but he's got to take some responsibility for repeating the same mistakes time and again. How many times, even in the shit games, do we not start games right at it. How many times against top quality, proactive teams does he try to apply the same basic tactical application with the same outcome (Juve away, Liverpool, ManC, Barca). And how many times does he see what's happening in a game and fail or take too long to react.

We desperately needed to change our structure quickly. Normally Eriksen (and Alli) would have just dropped back into midfield, but tonight he wasn't there, so what we got was Kane dropping into midfield, coughing up the ball often and then when he had held it up, he wasn't in forward areas to support the break. Poch needed to do something radical, he needed to get either Skipp (my choice) or (god forbid) even Dier or Sissoko on, sacrifice Son, who was having another fucking bumble fest and go 433, with Moura and Lamela also dropping in to be a 451 without the ball. And he needed to do this quickly, or at the very least by half time. As it was, as ever, he failed to react at all, and we were lucky not to 4/5 down before we eventually got one back. Then he eventually swaps out a flagging Wanyama for the human ballast that is Dier.

We got schooled by a master.

Individual

Lloris - Those that know me know Ive never been as smitten with him as many are. He's royally fucked us again tonight. The error for the first goal is as fucking piss poor as you'll ever see. The error for the 4th is just routine fucking Lloris that we've seen repeatedly almost from day one. I like that we are a team that is coached to play out, that's fine, but a stupid pass is a stupid pass no matter what your tactics are, and passing that ball to Trippier when we are under the press is just asking for trouble.

Trippier - Did some good things in forward areas, OK defensively generally but all our defenders were exposed by Barca's football at times.

Alderweireld/Sanchez - OK for the most part, considering how exposed they were by our tactics and Barca's football at times.

Davies - See above. Meh going forward.

Wanyama - Not ideal to have your second start in a long time against Europe's second most voracious pressing, footballing side, and in a CM2 against 4/5 most of the time it was a tough night. OK under the circumstances and at least some more miles on the recovery clock.

Winks - Overall, I think he was probably our best player on the night. For sure, he struggled early on to influence the game and stem their clever and more numerous midfield, but as the game wore on he really got into it, saw more ball than any one on our team (69 touches, 56 passes 95%) and showed some grit and a little bit of much needed alacrity as the game wore on.

Lamela - Probably the best of our forward bunch. You always get work off the ball with Lamela, which is a minimum requirement for me, but he shows up, never hides and doesn't bumble quite as much as Son and Moura, and he's set one up and scored again.

Moura - He's a lively fucker for sure, just wish there was a bit more composure at the end of it. Too often his first touch let him down, he tried to do too much or turn into trouble or take on one too many instead of just controlling it, looking after it and passing it to someone.

Son - The boy can be dynamite on a good day, but those days are interspersed between quite a few days where he fucks around and pisses the ball away too cheaply when we just need a bit more care and attention and composure and quality. Flimsey again.

Kane - There were real glimpses of the Kane of Christmas past tonight. Worked hard, scored a great goal, but please stop pretending to be a fucking trequartista and dribbling in your own half.
 
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Lamela and Kane are the only players who deserve any kind of merit.

Winks was much improved second half but was still abit pedestrian when defending. He and Wanyama doesn't look like it worked, I said before the game that whenever they've played alongside each other previously theyve looked poor.

Trippier, Lloris, Son and Wanyama were all shocking.

Sanchez and Lucas were disappointing. Toby and Davies were just Meh.

Overall? I loved the heat and desire shown in the second half but the game was ended in the first half.
 
Why is the MOTM poll just for Spurs players? Not one deserves that 'award'.

It’s a throwback to Spurs Community. Pick your ‘Spurs’ MotM.

Obviously Messi was the best performer on the pitch. A fucking incredible player. For me the best Spurs player was Lamela, followed closely by Lucas Moura and Kane. Alderweireld turned it on for the last 20 minutes.
 
It’s a throwback to Spurs Community. Pick your ‘Spurs’ MotM.

Obviously Messi was the best performer on the pitch. A fucking incredible player. For me the best Spurs player was Lamela, followed closely by Lucas Moura and Kane. Alderweireld turned it on for the last 20 minutes.

I don't think Messi was MOTM although he will get all the plaudits. In my opinion Busquets was MOTM by some distance.
 
It’s a throwback to Spurs Community. Pick your ‘Spurs’ MotM.

Obviously Messi was the best performer on the pitch. A fucking incredible player. For me the best Spurs player was Lamela, followed closely by Lucas Moura and Kane. Alderweireld turned it on for the last 20 minutes.

It's not really a throwback to SC, it's just that it's more about Spurs than the opposition. Just mentioning the opposition in anything other than vehemently disparaging terms is usually enough to incur a "fuck off and support (insert team here) then".

If people generally want me to include opposition players, I'm happy to.
 
Maybe it wouldn't have changed the outcome, but I was surprised we were not set up to be more solid by sacrificing one of the AM's by either :

1. Going 2 at the back with Alderweireld, Sanchez and Dier
or
2. Having 3 CM's - but this one is more difficult with Wanyama having just come back from injury and not played much (and it showed tonight ) and Winks again just back from injury but in the couple of appearances since he'd shown he was starting to come back to some form (and in the 2nd half it showed he was back) with Dier not in great form.....and Sissoko wouldn't be my first choice CM especially after coming back from injury. Not sure that any of the other fit first team players could play well as CM, and it might have been too adventurous to start one of the youngsters (although post WC maybe Poch should have been playing a couple of those that did well on US pre-season in the earlier matches of the season, and in which case maybe that would have been an option.

So overall I think Poch should have started with 3 at the back (as we did v Real Madrid last season) as the Winks with Wanyama or Dier (but not both) was realistically his only option as CM's.

The 3 at the back would probably have suited the selection of Trippier at RB.
Rose has been getting back to form so really don't understand Davies, who has been in poor form, being started at LB. Rose selection would probably have helped our attacking making up a little; for having sacrificed an AM.

I don't have strong views on AM's, but think Lamela and Moura would be the better starting option as both had a full pre-season and are relatively fresh, whilst the slightly fatigued (after Asian Games) Son would have been a great option off the bench.

Captain fantastic was rightly leading the line, and if Llloris was passed fit to play then I understand why he started, but I worry at his errors. However if Gazanigga had been chosen for his 4th (?) game as GK, it would have had all sorts of ramnifications.
 
It was a toss-up between Kane and Lamela. No other candidates as overall the entire team was pretty poor this evening. Lloris shouldn't have been playing, but I can imagine the fuss that would have been caused if Gazza had been picked and we'd lost. Very much a 2016/17 Champions League-type performance. Weren't helped by bad referees (even Jenas on the commentary said that Barcelona were getting all the decisions from the officials, which was a rare break from the BT panel taking it in turns to rim that team), but ultimately the below par performance is what cost us.

Only been two games but I really doubt we're getting out of this group now. I'm not a melter, but we've got a huge mountain to climb. Would love to be proved wrong, obviously!
 
It was a toss-up between Kane and Lamela. No other candidates as overall the entire team was pretty poor this evening. Lloris shouldn't have been playing, but I can imagine the fuss that would have been caused if Gazza had been picked and we'd lost. Very much a 2016/17 Champions League-type performance. Weren't helped by bad referees (even Jenas on the commentary said that Barcelona were getting all the decisions from the officials, which was a rare break from the BT panel taking it in turns to rim that team), but ultimately the below par performance is what cost us.

Only been two games but I really doubt we're getting out of this group now. I'm not a melter, but we've got a huge mountain to climb. Would love to be proved wrong, obviously!

Probably need to win all 3 of Inter (H) and PSV (H and A) and ideally get a point away at Barca or really hammer Inter at home to get through the group
 
Watched the game in bursts as The Man had me by the balls with meetings and such.

In American football they say the battle is won in the trenches. In real football the trenches for me is the midfield and we once again fail to impress.

Winks and Wanyama are my preferred partnership when playing a 4231 against opposition we know we can control and press. Unfortunately we attempted to press the hell out of one of the most gifted midfields in Europe and we paid for it. No matter the partnership, we would have failed with our out of sync press.

I have watched a lot of Klopp and what I love about him is how he identifies weak points to exploit with his press. I also love Poch, but for me it the press is always the same and since his first year it has been much less intense and thus hasn’t worked as well—against the big boys especially.

Throw in a keeper that just can’t seem to handle the pressure and we were destined to lose. I like the fight, I dislike the application.

Lloris - could never kick and that is still the case

Trips - Coutinho and Alba put him under pressure. He struggled imo.

Sanchez - rusty and does have the occasional brain fart. Still stoked for his future.

Toby - didn’t see much to blame since he was always under threat.

Davies - I have never been a huge fan and when we need a threat he is rarely there.

Wanyama - struggled, but also showed what Dier lacks—the ability to turn and start a break. He is still in recovery mode and I hope his knees hold up.

Winks - he is our best CM imo. He just needs to be in a CM3 when playing against a talented team like Barca.

Lamela - love the kid and want 11 of him.

Lucas - a couple nice runs, but i think we need to use him more on the right in a Sane type role. Stretch them at all times.

Son - really poor showing

Kane - I like what I see and I only see him improving
 
I don't think Messi was MOTM although he will get all the plaudits. In my opinion Busquets was MOTM by some distance.
Are you genuinely serious or are you posting this to seem intelligent? One of the most bizarre opinions I've seen in a while, not only did you think Messi wasn't the best player on the pitch but you somehow think Busquets was better "by some distance".
 
Are you genuinely serious or are you posting this to seem intelligent? One of the most bizarre opinions I've seen in a while, not only did you think Messi wasn't the best player on the pitch but you somehow think Busquets was better "by some distance".

Not posting to seem intelligent, Busquets was the best player by some distance. If you can't understand that then perhaps football is not for you?
 
Kane, Lamela, Moura - 7.0
Winks - 6.5
Toby, Davinson, Trippier, Son - 6.0
Dier, Wanyama, Davies, Lloris - 5.5
Sissoko - clown shoes
Llorente - old (and slow)
poch - injury crisis
 
When we come up against better teams such as tonight , Liverpool a few weeks back , City last season we seem to play into their hands.
A disaster playing out from the back , kamikaze tactics .
A midfield of 2 always will be outclassed .
You could see it coming .
Granted injuries and lack of depth didn't help but lessons aren't learnt
First half was piss poor , second half , they still were better but we should have scored one more .
Overall a disjointed but a spirited 30mins that had it's moments but honestly deserved nothing.
Lamela was the best player in a white shirt.
 
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