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Chris Ramsey
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We should get him back involved pronto.
Decent, honourable guy and a very good coach. But we've moved on from his time with us and he should only join the staff if he clearly fits with our current set-up. Having watched the U21s and our first team in the past week, we are not in desperate need of another coach. But I hope he finds a new position soon.
I think that coaches need to cut their teeth on a lower league club, to give themselves a better chance of success. Also, some people just don't have the calibre to be a No 1. Chris Ramsey comes across as being a nice guy, maybe a bit too nice. I wouuldn't mind him coming back to coach the youth team, after all, he did a good job before he went to QPR.
Another black manager fails. Almost certainly just a coincidence but it doesn't help address the strange disparity between the player base and management.
Ok, I hope I don't get into trouble but I was a bit surprised you read Troy Townsend's comments (in ref to Ramsay and Chris Powell):
"To lose both managers sends out a really strong message to those aspiring to get on this journey," said Townsend.
"People will look and think 'Is it worth it? Is it because of the colour of their skin? Or is it because they are bad managers?'
Obviously it's important to encourage black managers but this seems a bit ott, if not shit stirring. Managers get sacked all the time, these two managers are struggling and achieving poor results. Surely no-one would link their sacking to the color of their skin?
Maybe I'm being naive and they would?
I just think these type of comments do more harm than good. Troy needs to focus on positive action, not highlighting what is clearly a coincidence.
"To lose both managers sends out a really strong message to those aspiring to get on this journey," said Townsend.
"People will look and think 'Is it worth it? Is it because of the colour of their skin? Or is it because they are bad managers?'
Obviously it's important to encourage black managers but this seems a bit ott, if not shit stirring. Managers get sacked all the time, these two managers are struggling and achieving poor results. Surely no-one would link their sacking to the color of their skin?
Maybe I'm being naive and they would?
I just think these type of comments do more harm than good. Troy needs to focus on positive action, not highlighting what is clearly a coincidence.
QPR kept enough PL players to expect to be doing better than 19 from 45 points in Championship. So I think his skin color is a non-issue. DiMatteo was fired after winning the Champion's League: I think the problem is more "He's a football manager" more than "He's black"!
If Poch wanted him back, I'd be happy enough to have Ramsay at WHL, but I really doubt he's needed. But he's a good enough coach that I'd expect him to get a job somewhere very quickly.
If Poch wanted him back, I'd be happy enough to have Ramsay at WHL, but I really doubt he's needed. But he's a good enough coach that I'd expect him to get a job somewhere very quickly.
I usually respect his opinion, but he's sounding like Sol Campbell here.
Ramsay was never qualified for the job - jumping straight from youth coaching to top level management without any proper experience, that's the issue imo.
People just using his colour as an excuse, and a weapon to drive agendas.
Saw the same the other day with the new passports in Britain - 9 historic figures are included within, 7 male and 2 female - well needless to say women have gone batshit crazy about a lack of equality and acknowledgement for women.
How about - they just happened to put in 7 men and 2 women?
The world is going mental. What happened to our common sense as a species?
Saw the same the other day with the new passports in Britain - 9 historic figures are included within, 7 male and 2 female - well needless to say women have gone batshit crazy about a lack of equality and acknowledgement for women.
How about - they just happened to put in 7 men and 2 women?
The world is going mental. What happened to our common sense as a species?
The thing about the passports is that, historically men held all the promement positions in society and women didn't, as much as that is starting to change now, when looking for historical figures, you're always going to find more men.
Unfortunately common sense is a dying art these days and people will always find what they want to find in a non-event, I do wonder what Troy Townsend would have thought if it were a white manager with Ramsey's record getting the sack...perfectly justified perhaps?
I like Ramsey and respect him for what he achieved with our youth team, I hope he finds another club to get back to what he was good at, soon.
I don't want to encroach on difficult territory. But it is fair to point out that Black residents constituted around 3 per cent of the United Kingdom's population in 2011( It has increased from just under 1.15 million residents in 2001, or 2 per cent of the population, to just over 1.9 million in 2011)
With 92 league clubs 3 % of 92 is roughly 3 black Managers in the leagues at any one time to meet proportional representation, more than 4 becomes a disproportionate representational.
According to the BBC of the 230 clubs that make up the seven tiers of English football below the top flight, only 14 have black managers however that 14 would equal 6.09%, which is double the % of population.
What needs to be the case is that the best people are selected regardless of sex / race / religion etc. For example women make up the majority of the UK population ( 32.2 million ) how many of those are in football as coaches, managers etc ? zero. That's the uncomfortable truth no one faces.
With 92 league clubs 3 % of 92 is roughly 3 black Managers in the leagues at any one time to meet proportional representation, more than 4 becomes a disproportionate representational.
According to the BBC of the 230 clubs that make up the seven tiers of English football below the top flight, only 14 have black managers however that 14 would equal 6.09%, which is double the % of population.
What needs to be the case is that the best people are selected regardless of sex / race / religion etc. For example women make up the majority of the UK population ( 32.2 million ) how many of those are in football as coaches, managers etc ? zero. That's the uncomfortable truth no one faces.
Thanks for the link. Ironically noticed that your post comes 2 and a half years after my post, which was the last one on this subject - Christ Time goes fast !
By no means am I profound our righteous, but in the broad context my last para seems to still ring true
“What needs to be the case is that the best people are selected regardless of sex / race / religion etc. For example women make up the majority of the UK population ( 32.2 million ) how many of those are in football as coaches, managers etc ? zero. That's the uncomfortable truth no one faces“