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This Fish said:
That's not why Ashley was shit.
These new owners aren't heroes despite having access to seemingly endless wealth.

Both of your assertions show that, frankly, you don't know enough about this subject.

Ashley ran the club poorly and regardless of his wealth operated like the regular European club that he bought, was only able to just about survive in the Premier League. He was appalling to legends of the club, shit with the fans and his parsimony was damaging to the club, the brand and the players. That's just a brief overview of why he's hated. Money didn't come into it. Run us well on a shoestring and we're happy enough.

The current owners are glacially slow to react, have made repeated PR gaffes, has fucked up the board appointments more often than they've got them right. And that's before you get to the elephant in the room that they're inexorably linked to a murderous repressive regime.

We keep dancing around in circles, where you paint every single signing bar Bruno as the same standard as those we were pursuing under Ashley, but that's just patently not true. We're not going after Dwight Gayle, or Ayoze Perez, Grant Hanley or Salomon Rondon. We're going for a higher caliber of player, because a) we can now afford to and b) our ownership have ambitions beyond survival.
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OK then pal, how about fuck off out of the LET'S LAUGH AT NEWCASTLE thread on an opposing teams forum then???

I'm having a right laugh browsing the Forest forum and observing their anguish under Ange, have I for one moment considered joining up to it so that I can post there about how great Spurs are? Have I bollocks...

I'll give this another go, see if you can get your head around the issue that keeps being repeated, and no, just to be abundantly clear, this is not a bigging up of Mike Ashley.

What Newcastle have done is equivalent to me, a regular person who does the weekly shop at Asda, budgeting in a particularly nice meal once or twice a week, winning the lottery and going out the first week after and splurging on a Waitrose shop, with an expensive meal every night of the week. Then, after the first novelty week, I go back to buying the shopping from Asda, I make sure I budget in every night's meal to be a nice one, but I'm still buying it at Asda, and it's the same quality of produce that I was buying before the lottery win.

Newcastle aren't shopping on a different level than they were before, just because you're club is absurd enough to spunk £50m on Wissa doesn't mean he's some otherworldly footballing god. The profile of player is exactly the same as they had ambition for before, you're just signing more of them because of your blood money, and you have a better manager making better use of them.
 
Herclueless said:
You hated Ashley because he didn't spend enough money, you love the Human Rights criminals and dress up in your droves in the traditional Saudi garb because they have lots of money...

Yeah I don't think I'm being too harsh on your fanbase by summing them up as being money oriented.
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That's hilariously wide of the mark. It's like saying your fans hate Levy because he sold Bale.

We hated Ashley because he hobbled our club. He could have spent a billion, or nothing and it would be the damage to our club that would explain the antipathy. It also goes some way to explain how readily we accepted the Saudis.
 
This Fish said:
That's hilariously wide of the mark. It's like saying your fans hate Levy because he sold Bale.

We hated Ashley because he hobbled our club. He could have spent a billion, or nothing and it would be the damage to our club that would explain the antipathy. It also goes some way to explain how readily we accepted the Saudis.
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No mate, a bunch of morons dressing up in Saudi garb and celebrating a barbaric collection of oil rich billionaires simply because they were wiling to pump a bit of cash into your football club shows you lot for exactly what you are.

Pathetically easy to Sports Wash you lot were.
 
Herclueless said:
OK then pal, how about fuck off out of the LET'S LAUGH AT NEWCASTLE thread on an opposing teams forum then???

I'm having a right laugh browsing the Forest forum and observing their anguish under Ange, have I for one moment considered joining up to it so that I can post there about how great Spurs are? Have I bollocks...

I'll give this another go, see if you can get your head around the issue that keeps being repeated, and no, just to be abundantly clear, this is not a bigging up of Mike Ashley.

What Newcastle have done is equivalent to me, a regular person who does the weekly shop at Asda, budgeting in a particularly nice meal once or twice a week, winning the lottery and going out the first week after and splurging on a Waitrose shop, with an expensive meal every night of the week. Then, after the first novelty week, I go back to buying the shopping from Asda, I make sure I budget in every night's meal to be a nice one, but I'm still buying it at Asda, and it's the same quality of produce that I was buying before the lottery win.

Newcastle aren't shopping on a different level than they were before, just because you're club is absurd enough to spunk £50m on Wissa doesn't mean he's some otherworldly footballing god. The profile of player is exactly the same as they had ambition for before, you're just signing more of them because of your blood money, and you have a better manager making better use of them.
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We are though. Fundamentally, we're signing better players. Players who wouldn't have joined earlier. You can poopoo them if you really want, but you're kidding yourself that Ashley would have sanctioned the signing of Trippier. You're making yourself look silly when you say Ashley would have stumped up for Botman or Thiaw. And the frequency of the spend is important as well, Ashley may have sanctioned a £40m spend on Joelinton, but that was the biggest transfer for 14yr by a fucking mile.

To expand your analogy it's like we were regularly shopping at Asda, then win the lottery and now regularly shop at Sainsburys and occasionally get something from M&S. Is it a massive step up? No. Is it a significant step up? Yes.

I asked AI "compare the average standard of player signed by Ashley at NUFC, to the standard signed after the takeover" because clearly I think you're massively biased and you think I am. Gemini replied:


Newcastle United Transfers: Ashley vs. New Owners
The change in the standard of player signed by Newcastle United is stark, moving from a low-cost, low-ambition model to one focused on securing elite international talent.

1. The Mike Ashley Era (2007–2021)
Player Profile: Cheap, young, or average Premier League experience. The focus was on players with perceived high resale value, often sourced from lower leagues or the French market.

Primary Goal: Financial break-even and Premier League survival. Investment was strictly capped to ensure the club was financially self-sufficient and never risked Mike Ashley's personal funds.

Fees Paid: Rarely exceeded £20 million (with a few notable exceptions that often didn't work out).

Immediate Impact: Patchy, often requiring significant time to adapt, or minimal due to the player's low ceiling. The squad depth and quality were consistently geared toward avoiding relegation.

2. The New Owners Era (2021–Present)
Player Profile: Established international stars or elite European potential. The club now signs players who are already proven at the highest level (e.g., Champions League, top 5 leagues).

Primary Goal: Top-six finish, Champions League qualification, and major trophy contention. The policy is to build a core of world-class assets.

Fees Paid: Multiple club-record signings exceeding £40 million, with Isak and Tonali being prime examples. Spending is strategically structured to comply with Financial Fair Play/PSR.

Immediate Impact: Transformational and immediate improvements to the starting XI (e.g., Trippier, Guimarães, Botman), rapidly elevating the team's overall quality and status in the league.
 
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Herclueless said:
No mate, a bunch of morons dressing up in Saudi garb and celebrating a barbaric collection of oil rich billionaires simply because they were wiling to pump a bit of cash into your football club shows you lot for exactly what you are.

Pathetically easy to Sports Wash you lot were.
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About a dozen morons from how many thousands?

We celebrated the departure of Ashley way, way louder than the arrival of the Saudis. Why do you think Staveley chose Newcastle? She wanted a PL club, with a good sized fanbase and potential, and who were eager for new ownership and who wouldn't be too resistant to PIF.

This is yet again a fan of another club telling us how we feel, what we think, what we value. All because they get their information from gobshites in the media. It's just so arrogant. I wouldn't tell you how to feel about Levy, or ENIC. I don't know enough about it.
 
This Fish said:
About a dozen morons from how many thousands?

We celebrated the departure of Ashley way, way louder than the arrival of the Saudis. Why do you think Staveley chose Newcastle? She wanted a PL club, with a good sized fanbase and potential, and who were eager for new ownership and who wouldn't be too resistant to PIF.

This is yet again a fan of another club telling us how we feel, what we think, what we value. All because they get their information from gobshites in the media. It's just so arrogant. I wouldn't tell you how to feel about Levy, or ENIC. I don't know enough about it.
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Fuck off...

If you're too lazy to write up your own argument, and going to just lie the rest of the time, please just stfu...

Honestly, you're fanbase is a joke, you'll protest if you're owner's not rich enough for your liking, but chop off a few hands, murder a journalist here and there? Welcome mates!

Just because you're now paying a tenner for your Richmond sausages, and buying them more often, you're still guzzling down a Richmond at the end of the day.
 
This Fish said:
About a dozen morons from how many thousands?

We celebrated the departure of Ashley way, way louder than the arrival of the Saudis. Why do you think Staveley chose Newcastle? She wanted a PL club, with a good sized fanbase and potential, and who were eager for new ownership and who wouldn't be too resistant to PIF.

This is yet again a fan of another club telling us how we feel, what we think, what we value. All because they get their information from gobshites in the media. It's just so arrogant. I wouldn't tell you how to feel about Levy, or ENIC. I don't know enough about it.
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Easily avoided if you simply don't sign up for and frequent another clubs forum for some reason...
 
Herclueless said:
Fuck off...

If you're too lazy to write up your own argument, and going to just lie the rest of the time, please just stfu...

Honestly, you're fanbase is a joke, you'll protest if you're owner's not rich enough for your liking, but chop off a few hands, murder a journalist here and there? Welcome mates!

Just because you're now paying a tenner for your Richmond sausages, and buying them more often, you're still guzzling down a Richmond at the end of the day.
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Thing is, I did write up my own argument, citing examples of players we couldn't have bought under Ashley and you dismissed them out of hand. Downplaying their standing in the game as past-it rightbacks, Chelsea academy players, or the ugly arrogance of dismissing Brentford's striker because he's played at Brentford. A team who've consistently bought and coached well for the past decade.

I chose to use AI because with an unbiased question it delivered an unbiased answer. An answer you're dismissing because it doesn't align with your view.

You repeat nonsense about what Newcastle fans want, think or believe to fit an image you've created in your head, despite my offering insight as to what it actually looks like.
 
This Fish said:
Thing is, I did write up my own argument, citing examples of players we couldn't have bought under Ashley and you dismissed them out of hand. Downplaying their standing in the game as past-it rightbacks, Chelsea academy players, or the ugly arrogance of dismissing Brentford's striker because he's played at Brentford. A team who've consistently bought and coached well for the past decade.

I chose to use AI because with an unbiased question it delivered an unbiased answer. An answer you're dismissing because it doesn't align with your view.

You repeat nonsense about what Newcastle fans want, think or believe to fit an image you've created in your head, despite my offering insight as to what it actually looks like.
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OK couple of questions that I'm sure you will not respond to, as you don't like being confronted by facts:

Kieran Trippier, for a whopping £12m, at the age of 31. Just coming up to his prime was he?

19 year old Lewis Hall, for up to £35m, must have been spectacular in the 12 first team appearances he'd made prior to that transfer mustn't he? Inflated fee was definitely nothing to do with the weird little transfer triangle you had going on with Villa and Chelsea around that time was it?

Livramento, Southampton hadn't just been relegated then no? Again, inflated fee nothing to do with the blood money tax?

You keep talking about the fees that your owners pay, with no acknowledgement that this is only necessary because your owners are who they are. Any other owners probably would have been required to pay much less. That's without even acknowledging that comparing transfer fees from different eras against each other is utterly pointless because as well as just normal inflation, yes transfer spending does just blow up almost overnight in modern day football.

PLAYERS FROM RELEGATED CLUBS, OTHER PL CLUBS YOUTH ACADEMIES, OR FROM CASH POOR CONTINENTAL SIDES WERE NOT OUT OF REACH UNDER ASHLEY EITHER!

It's a simple fucking point without you having to go into full on Saudi arse rimming mode.


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View: https://youtube.com/shorts/2n-iKx17fS0?si=ks0ESMRmg9JoO5xA

Let's get this thread back on track!
 
Herclueless said:
Come off it, Elanga? He's a one season wonder off the back of spamming breakaway assists for a Terrorball Forest team under Nuno...

I'm not sure I'm being clear enough on this, what he goes on to do or not do for Newcastle over the next 3,4,5 years or whatever is irrelevant, as it stands you signed a relatively quick winger from Nottingham Forest, just because you got fleeced for £45m for the privilege doesn't mean you signed the equivalent of prime Figo ffs...

As for Thiaw, Botman, etc. I think you're severely underestimating the pull of PL if you think that most of the other 19 clubs couldn't have tempted a player away from Milan or Lille.

You're competing with mid-table sides to sign the best available from other mid-table sides and relegated clubs. That you can't see this after a summer where the running joke for the most part was players that Newcastle missed out on is a little bewildering. Come the crunch, Man Utd still had a greater pull for players than you do.
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Story of their previous summer too.
 
Perryman said:
I don’t think they have made a bad buy since Eddie Howe went there. It makes a big difference, no passengers.
Tonali , Bruno and Joelinton is almost the best midfield in the league. Good job they had to sell Elliot Anderson or they would have the best midfield.
With our resources and being in London we should be able to get that sort of player. No doubt Howe will get a proper top job one day. Would be perfect for England after the World Cup. Home euros to follow.
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Tonali - Didn't want to go there; then got banned soon after.
Joelinton - A failed ST signing whom Howe commendably managed to re-invent.
Bruno G - Bargain! They were just smart enough to pick him up before a bigger club moved for him (we should have absolutely bagged him the summer before!)

None of these players went there in favour of a bigger club (or cos we couldn't attract them).
 
Herclueless said:
OK couple of questions that I'm sure you will not respond to, as you don't like being confronted by facts:

Kieran Trippier, for a whopping £12m, at the age of 31. Just coming up to his prime was he?

19 year old Lewis Hall, for up to £35m, must have been spectacular in the 12 first team appearances he'd made prior to that transfer mustn't he? Inflated fee was definitely nothing to do with the weird little transfer triangle you had going on with Villa and Chelsea around that time was it?

Livramento, Southampton hadn't just been relegated then no? Again, inflated fee nothing to do with the blood money tax?

You keep talking about the fees that your owners pay, with no acknowledgement that this is only necessary because your owners are who they are. Any other owners probably would have been required to pay much less. That's without even acknowledging that comparing transfer fees from different eras against each other is utterly pointless because as well as just normal inflation, yes transfer spending does just blow up almost overnight in modern day football.

PLAYERS FROM RELEGATED CLUBS, OTHER PL CLUBS YOUTH ACADEMIES, OR FROM CASH POOR CONTINENTAL SIDES WERE NOT OUT OF REACH UNDER ASHLEY EITHER!

It's a simple fucking point without you having to go into full on Saudi arse rimming mode.


View: https://youtu.be/ApbRL9-slqI?si=rfpqt9iJ-wtcoeLa


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/3LAyBvP2mTI?si=1vCEOQQY8wVpbjfP


View: https://youtu.be/p6VxErH2T2o?si=C2D0jjCkmqBG-xVr


View: https://youtu.be/w5rhzx0d9VM?si=ntCPmZsGB2n02ME_


View: https://youtu.be/-HPVfDxB-uM?si=J7KD7-L2H2KizxFg


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/2n-iKx17fS0?si=ks0ESMRmg9JoO5xA

Let's get this thread back on track!
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How is this still rumbling on?

You're mixing up facts and opinions.

What “transfer triangle”? We bought Targett from Villa and Hall from Chelsea the following season. No one went the other way. The last time we sold to either was Demba Ba in 2012/13. Chelsea and Villa trading players isn’t a triangle — it’s a straight line.

None of those signings happen under Ashley. Could they have? No. We had minimal commercial revenue, and he wasn’t putting in extra cash so we couldn't have afforded to drop ~€85m on three fullbacks without selling a star player. Even if he did put in extra capital, those players weren’t undervalued, we couldn’t afford their wages, we weren't in Europe or anything and our manager wasn’t exactly a draw. We're not going to sign them. Do you know who else was interested in Joelinton? Wolves. Not Milan, not Woolwich, Wolves. What about ASM? Watford and Palace. That's the pond we were fishing in.

Bruno, Tonali, Botman, Thiaw, Gordon, Elanga, Isak, Woltemade? — we had zero chance. They joined because of the project, the progress, and the wages we can now offer.

Calling me a Saudi cheerleader misses the point — I’m criticising Ashley. If Boehly had bought us, we’d still have landed those players. The Saudis just paid for it. The board did the legwork, and even they’re not flawless.

And yes, I used AI to cut through bias.
 
This Fish said:
How is this still rumbling on?

You're mixing up facts and opinions.

What “transfer triangle”? We bought Targett from Villa and Hall from Chelsea the following season. No one went the other way. The last time we sold to either was Demba Ba in 2012/13. Chelsea and Villa trading players isn’t a triangle — it’s a straight line.

None of those signings happen under Ashley. Could they have? No. We had minimal commercial revenue, and he wasn’t putting in extra cash so we couldn't have afforded to drop ~€85m on three fullbacks without selling a star player. Even if he did put in extra capital, those players weren’t undervalued, we couldn’t afford their wages, we weren't in Europe or anything and our manager wasn’t exactly a draw. We're not going to sign them. Do you know who else was interested in Joelinton? Wolves. Not Milan, not Woolwich, Wolves. What about ASM? Watford and Palace. That's the pond we were fishing in.

Bruno, Tonali, Botman, Thiaw, Gordon, Elanga, Isak, Woltemade? — we had zero chance. They joined because of the project, the progress, and the wages we can now offer.

Calling me a Saudi cheerleader misses the point — I’m criticising Ashley. If Boehly had bought us, we’d still have landed those players. The Saudis just paid for it. The board did the legwork, and even they’re not flawless.

And yes, I used AI to cut through bias.
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Everything you just posted is wrong.

Please just return to your own team's forum and stop being weird.
 
GOAT said:
stop being weird.
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They can’t help it & it’s our fault.

You may be surprised to learn that once upon a time we spawned Geordies in mud from the depths of Mordor to help protect us from Celtic barbarian invasions.

These strange orc like creatures are a necessary evil unfortunately.

Now they think that because the muck they’ve arisen from smells like petrol that their shit doesn’t stink!
 
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