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Player Cristian Romero

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Shadydan said:
Gil is quality but he's a bad transfer for us because we ca not use him, there's a reason why he's gone back to Spain.

Gollini was a pointless buy (might as well have kept Gazza) and Let's be real Emerson isn't gonna be first choice next season.

None of these players have made a dent on our squad since they've signed.

I do think he might have got the Kulu and Bentancur signings right though.
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Gil was always for the long term. If he’s playing and developing in Spain that’s great. Valencia don’t have an option. If by pointless you mean a bad use of our resources at that point then maybe. But let’s judge that either when he’s sold or after 3 years.

Gollini has not been bought unless I missed something ? Loan with option. The fuck up would be if we exercised that option.

Emerson isn’t a great signing for that money true true
 
LeParisien said:
Gil was always for the long term. If he’s playing and developing in Spain that’s great. Valencia don’t have an option. If by pointless you mean a bad use of our resources at that point then maybe. But let’s judge that either when he’s sold or after 3 years.

Gollini has not been bought unless I missed something ? Loan with option. The fuck up would be if we exercised that option.

Emerson isn’t a great signing for that money true true
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I think you're missing my point, I have no qualms about Gil's quality or his potential but we needed to upgrade the squad and bring players in who can play now and have a role in the future, for example Kulu who is the same age as Gil can help the team now as he has the physicality and mentality to play for Spurs yet he's going to improve in the future so it's a win/win...Gil on the other hand clearly isn't ready for Premier League football yet so that doesn't help us in the short term.

This is what Conte was alluding to actually when he criticised out transfer strategy a couple of weeks ago about buying players who are ready to come in and help the team straight away and being more smarter in the market.

The Gollini thing is a loan correct but it doesn't leave me with much faith in the strategy if you are happy tell move a keeper on who is clearly better than the one you're bringing in, he's not even homegrown so I'm not sure what the thinking was.
 
Shadydan said:
I think you're missing my point, I have no qualms about Gil's quality or his potential but we needed to upgrade the squad and bring players in who can play now and have a role in the future, for example Kulu who is the same age as Gil can help the team now as he has the physicality and mentality to play for Spurs yet he's going to improve in the future so it's a win/win...Gil on the other hand clearly isn't ready for Premier League football yet so that doesn't help us in the short term.

This is what Conte was alluding to actually when he criticised out transfer strategy a couple of weeks ago about buying players who are ready to come in and help the team straight away and being more smarter in the market.

The Gollini thing is a loan correct but it doesn't leave me with much faith in the strategy if you are happy tell move a keeper on who is clearly better than the one you're bringing in, he's not even homegrown so I'm not sure what the thinking was.
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Gazzaniga had already gone a year before...... We shipped out Hart last summer; not PG.
 
Shadydan said:
Fair enough, might as well have Kept hart then or get in some English veteran keeper to sit on the bench to bypass the homegrown rule.
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I guess the view was that Goll might showcase enough in the ECL to convince us he could succeed Hugo in the longer term (afterall he arrived with a decent rep from his time at Atalanta)....... Just didn't pan out that way.
 
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I'm not going to talk much about Romero. I'm just going to say we very desperately need a top class LCB I'd say Pau Torres should be a massive priority because we'd be a proper prospect if we could get a ball playing left centerback of the same quality as our Right centerback. Romer look the real deal against City. Dominant and fearless.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
I'm not going to talk much about Romero. I'm just going to say we very desperately need a top class LCB I'd say Pau Torres should be a massive priority because we'd be a proper prospect if we could get a ball playing left centerback of the same quality as our Right centerback. Romer look the real deal against City. Dominant and fearless.
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LCB for me is a weirdly difficult problem.

I also want a ball player like Pau Torres, but Davies' lack of aerial ability cost us a few goals and Dier is the only one in our back line that's properly massive. So I think we need our new CB to be quite good in the air too.

Pau Torres seems a bit light weight, but how many massive, aerially dominant, ball playing, roaming CBs are there?
 
KaneIsAble said:
LCB for me is a weirdly difficult problem.

I also want a ball player like Pau Torres, but Davies' lack of aerial ability cost us a few goals and Dier is the only one in our back line that's properly massive. So I think we need our new CB to be quite good in the air too.

Pau Torres seems a bit light weight, but how many massive, aerially dominant, ball playing, roaming CBs are there?
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Very good point. Excellent point in fact but the only top class alternative is Bastoni from Inter who is better in the air...Well even harder to get.
 
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KaneIsAble said:
LCB for me is a weirdly difficult problem.

I also want a ball player like Pau Torres, but Davies' lack of aerial ability cost us a few goals and Dier is the only one in our back line that's properly massive. So I think we need our new CB to be quite good in the air too.

Pau Torres seems a bit light weight, but how many massive, aerially dominant, ball playing, roaming CBs are there?
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Bastoni
 
Shadydan said:
TheSpurEst The Swellhead Spur The Swellhead Spur Pzabbythethird

Do you see it now?
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Please, lay it out very clearly - what is the point that you are trying to prove with this post for example?

I have not said that he would be shit player. Nor that I do not see quality in him. Nor that someone else should play instead of him. I do believe that he is good addition, and he could help to solidify our defense.

But to come here, after a game where we conceded 2 goals (coming from back of run of games where Romero started and we conceded 2 and 3 goals against teams weaker than City - total 7 goals from 3 games), and where it was Romero's hand ball that gifted City equalizer in stoppage time that will 98 times out of 100 mean points dropped... well, that is interesting (if not purely trolling) timing.

He surely had very good moments, tackles, passes and holding on City players as well - I think overall we can be quite happy with his performance. So I am not trying to say like he had bad game. But defenders are also rated by their mistakes. And he made potentially extremely costly one.

At some point you mentioned his transfer fee like it is nothing - which is obviously 100% agenda-driven and not even closely related to real world. I just checked out of curiosity - his reported transfer fee will be 42,5 m£ which at current rate translates to 51 m€. At that he will be 14th most expensive transfer for a defender in history of football. Or from Spurs point of view - he will be our 2nd biggest signing of all times in terms of fee. Any way you look at it - that is astronomical amount for a player. I think expectations for such fee should be sky-high quite frankly.

I like that the evidence is starting to build up that will prove he will be worth that kind of money. But you were already banging on about how proven and good and worthy of this money he was while he had only played 500 minutes of EPL football - even if he turns out to be EPL greatest ever defender in the future - it won't change the fact that serious conclusions about his value couldn't have been made at this point in past. The fact that he continues to prove he is brilliant defender is obviously great news for every Spurs fan. We needed additional quality to CB position. At the same time it does not change the fact that we are Dier-injury away from having absolute 0 leadership ability in defense, as it was proven in recent past.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Please, lay it out very clearly - what is the point that you are trying to prove with this post for example?

I have not said that he would be shit player. Nor that I do not see quality in him. Nor that someone else should play instead of him. I do believe that he is good addition, and he could help to solidify our defense.

But to come here, after a game where we conceded 2 goals (coming from back of run of games where Romero started and we conceded 2 and 3 goals against teams weaker than City - total 7 goals from 3 games), and where it was Romero's hand ball that gifted City equalizer in stoppage time that will 98 times out of 100 mean points dropped... well, that is interesting (if not purely trolling) timing.

He surely had very good moments, tackles, passes and holding on City players as well - I think overall we can be quite happy with his performance. So I am not trying to say like he had bad game. But defenders are also rated by their mistakes. And he made potentially extremely costly one.

At some point you mentioned his transfer fee like it is nothing - which is obviously 100% agenda-driven and not even closely related to real world. I just checked out of curiosity - his reported transfer fee will be 42,5 m£ which at current rate translates to 51 m€. At that he will be 14th most expensive transfer for a defender in history of football. Or from Spurs point of view - he will be our 2nd biggest signing of all times in terms of fee. Any way you look at it - that is astronomical amount for a player. I think expectations for such fee should be sky-high quite frankly.

I like that the evidence is starting to build up that will prove he will be worth that kind of money. But you were already banging on about how proven and good and worthy of this money he was while he had only played 500 minutes of EPL football - even if he turns out to be EPL greatest ever defender in the future - it won't change the fact that serious conclusions about his value couldn't have been made at this point in past. The fact that he continues to prove he is brilliant defender is obviously great news for every Spurs fan. We needed additional quality to CB position. At the same time it does not change the fact that we are Dier-injury away from having absolute 0 leadership ability in defense, as it was proven in recent past.
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This is some serious mental gymnastics lol

I asked you a fairly easy question, do you rate him now seeing as you originally said you weren't convinced by him?...Remember that exchange we had a few months ago?

Half the stuff you've written here is completely disingenuous let's face it and you said a lot of this stuff before which I've already countered last time...
 
Good post, TheSpurEst

If Dier for example had a similar game and then had given away a penalty, people would not be nearly as kind. There's definitely a sense of new, shiny signing getting the leeway other players don't. I like Romero, the energy he brings is refreshing and there's obvious quality there, but he has a lot to learn and is very rough around the edges. This will cost us plenty of goals in the short term.

But all said and done, he looks like a big talent. Which instantly makes him by far our best summer signing.
 
Shadydan said:
This is some serious mental gymnastics lol

I asked you a fairly easy question, do you rate him now seeing as you originally said you weren't convinced by him?...Remember that exchange we had a few months ago?

Half the stuff you've written here is completely disingenuous let's face it and you said a lot of this stuff before which I've already countered last time...
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Always easy to brush some stuff up with phrases like "this is mental gymnastics". I pointed out list of facts - like his price, like prices of other defenders across history of the game, number of goals we have conceded, penalty he cost etc. And then I asked also easy question - " what is the point that you are trying to prove with this post for example" - did not get answer to that.

In my post I specifically said - "I like that the evidence is starting to build up that will prove he will be worth that kind of money. " so - yes, evidence of his quality is building. But this comes with time.

Oh yea, yea, you "countered" a lot. Though saying "Aaaagfgg but like.....uuhmmh... White cost more, so he no so expensive" is intellectually inadequate. Sounds lot less of a substantial comment then random trolling to me. While simple fact is - across history there have been only 13 defenders who have cost more than Romero's buy-out clause.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Good post, TheSpurEst

If Dier for example had a similar game and then had given away a penalty, people would not be nearly as kind. There's definitely a sense of new, shiny signing getting the leeway other players don't. I like Romero, the energy he brings is refreshing and there's obvious quality there, but he has a lot to learn and is very rough around the edges. This will cost us plenty of goals in the short term.

But all said and done, he looks like a big talent. Which instantly makes him by far our best summer signing.
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Fab has had a hell of a lot of stick, but by the end of the season; if Rom, B'cur & Kulu are all considered a hit; that'll amount to our best year of recruitment in fucking years..... (with positive question marks hanging over Gil & Sarr too.)

Funny ol' game.
 
Airfixx said:
Fab has had a hell of a lot of stick, but by the end of the season; if Rom, B'cur & Kulu are all considered a hit; that'll amount to our best year of recruitment in fucking years..... (with positive question marks hanging over Gil & Sarr too.)

Funny ol' game.
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Fully agreed. Although that's 3 if's! But I like signs from all 3 so far. Kulu and Bentancur I don't think have the same ceiling as Romero, but they're both players who Conte clearly likes, and offer pretty key attributes for his setup. They're settling in well and looking more comfortable than they did at Juve.

I still hold hope for Gil. The talent is obvious, it's just whether he fits in to a Conte team and the league as a whole.
 
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