Player Cristian Romero

[TheSpurEst]

whats romero got to do with the first? thats porro for not getting close enough and udogie defending like some idiot on a sunday.

second, he goes to put pressure on mitoma because bentancur isnt! the ball gets played to whoever scores and its soft from udogie (yet again) and poor fro VDV.

third goal. udogie fucks us twice by fucking about to give them the throw in the first place then gets done like a mug, bentancur again soft to try and stop the cross. yes you can put a slice of the blame on him for that one, but porro has the benefit of actually seeing welbeck and he doesnt react either. porro and romero are not as much to blame there as udogie or bentancur. bentancur doesnt even try and challenge the ball he does some weird thing where he stops, not sure what hes fucking doing. he should be going into a 50-50 there or putting it out for a corner. its like he thinks he can actually turn and has completely misjudged the situation.

bentancur shouldnt of even been on the pitch! he was clearly jaded early in the second half but this cunt of a manager doesnt believe in subs or some bollox.


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the first is probably more down to porro, VDV gets a touch that fucks udogie. this all happens when you allow crosses to come in too easily.

2:40 bentancur is favourite to the ball and should be dealing with it, the fact hes tried to turn on it and been done has probably caught them off guard. its fucking shit from him.

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Wait, pick your stance now.

You previously told all about how "pressure causes cracks" hinting at the system and tactics.
And now you point out how they were basically individual errors. Is it system or is it individual errors, what are you saying?

Agreed that in 1st goal, Romero had nothing to do with it. Bad personal error by Udogie.
But for 2nd and SPECIALLY 3rd he could have done better. From elite CB you'd expect actually bit more than just doing his part. Truly elite CB should be aware what is going on and even if Porro is in better position, he could still have done better.

And you fully disregard the situation from first half where Wellbeck was 100% his to follow and Romero let him still have a go, we just got lucky he missed a free chance.

I mean - yea- players make mistakes. Again - first goal was total cockup of Udogie. But it is first such a monumental mistake (though he had been dealing with injury, he obviously was all over the place in 2nd half and SO obviously should have been taken off for Spence, but that is another topic). Romero has had more games where him being straight up shit at defending has cost us goal compared to number of games where it hasnt.

 

[daveyboy88]

Wait, pick your stance now.

You previously told all about how "pressure causes cracks" hinting at the system and tactics.
And now you point out how they were basically individual errors. Is it system or is it individual errors, what are you saying?

Agreed that in 1st goal, Romero had nothing to do with it. Bad personal error by Udogie.
But for 2nd and SPECIALLY 3rd he could have done better. From elite CB you'd expect actually bit more than just doing his part. Truly elite CB should be aware what is going on and even if Porro is in better position, he could still have done better.

And you fully disregard the situation from first half where Wellbeck was 100% his to follow and Romero let him still have a go, we just got lucky he missed a free chance.

I mean - yea- players make mistakes. Again - first goal was total cockup of Udogie. But it is first such a monumental mistake (though he had been dealing with injury, he obviously was all over the place in 2nd half and SO obviously should have been taken off for Spence, but that is another topic). Romero has had more games where him being straight up shit at defending has cost us goal compared to number of games where it hasnt.

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pressure does cause cracks, and when you have a system that has the fullbacks pushed right up your CB's are exposed youre going to see them make mistakes.

you pointed out the 3 goals on sunday. wait so why is romero a key part of the second goal? because hes committed to a challenge to help out a lackluster bentancur thats clearly struggling? hes made mitoma play the ball to a guy thats had a soft attempt from udogie and done VDV. what about bentancur, VDV and udogie for that goal? is romero more to blame for that because hes actually showed some aggression?

youre saying romero is more at fault for the third than udogie and bentancur? have you actually watched it back? what do you think bentancur is trying to do? hes favourite to the ball and doesnt even get a foot to the ball and allowed the cross to come in.


what do you think romero should do for that goal then as welbeck is between him and porro (behind romero so out of his sight) you think romero should anticipate that bentancur is not going to get the ball even though hes favourite? what do you think he should be doing?

if the two fullbacks had half the aggression romero does in getting into attackers when they have the ball in dangerous areas then we wouldnt face half as many crosses.

 

[Dark Shadow]

What's the point arguing shipmates all 4 were dogshit 2nd half plus Bentancur

 

[todd1882]

Never appreciated this player, was happy to get rid after his first season and every subsequent season thereafter...but he was apparently WC during that time. Nice to see everyone getting on board 3 seasons later. Wish we would have had the foresight as a club to have gotten another CB seeing as this one will likely be gone.

 

[Deuterz]

Nice to see everyone getting on board 3 seasons later.

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Don’t be naive Todd, he will score a header against West Ham and have a few good games and we’ll be back to debates over whether he’s the best centre back in the entire world again.

For the record, I think he’s a good player but I don’t like the partnership we have. Van de Ven is an exceptional athlete but still young and prone to poor defending in his box. Great at the lung busting runs at both ends.

What he needs is a mature, calm, positionally smart centre back. Liverpools VVD/Konate partnership is much more balanced, they have the raw, athletic one next to the sensible head. The performance of central defenders is influenced by setup & partnerships more than any other position.

All that being said his defensive basics (especially concentration) were a joke against Brighton.

 

[todd1882]

Don’t be naive Todd, he will score a header against West Ham and have a few good games and we’ll be back to debates over whether he’s the best centre back in the entire world again.

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How could I have forgotten! 'Tis always the way.

For the record, I think he’s a good player

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He has his qualities but, as usual, he is grossly overrated by our bunch. And of his overall contribution since he's been here...is there really that much in credit? He's stopped the rashness but now his errors are directly related to us conceding.

Van de Ven is an exceptional athlete but still young and prone to poor defending in his box.

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So is CR...

What he needs is a mature, calm, positionally smart centre back.

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...so NOT Romero then?

All that being said his defensive basics (especially concentration) were a joke against Brighton.

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Not sure I would constrain it to just Brighton. We do have a habit of not being punished by our defensive mistake. WE get away with it...just like in the great start we had last year...we got away without being punished quite frequently. But you can't have that discussion round here because folks just want you to enjoy the 3 points.

 

[daveyboy88]

SPECIALLY 3rd he could have done better

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so he should of been switched on to the fact that despite bentancur being favourite to the ball, his teammate is going to do nothing and allow the brighton player to slide into the ball to get something on it to send it in the 6 yard box?

so what is romeros fault with the goal other than him having too much faith in his team mate to deal with a ball hes favourite too?

if you actually watch it back. VDV could of also of got closer to the ball, hes doing an eric dier while blocking an angle that isnt a danger and porro who can actually see welbeck is late to react also, welbeck has gambled on the fact that bentancur is going to have a brainfart and do nothing.

to be fair to VDV, hes watching bentancur and thinking hes first to the ball i dont need to go into it and make it a 3 man collision. but if youre gonna say romero should of known that bentancur is going to fuck up then maybe VDV should of gone in too and made sure the cross was completely blocked.

that goal is a result of udogie fucking about and giving away a throw, then being soft and getting done. then bentancur making a serious error in judgement and doing nothing while the ball is live. bentancur should be going into a 50-50 there with his left foot, not trying to get his right foot in the way and shield/turn whatever he was trying.

is porro to blame for also being relaxed and not anticipating bentancur being an idiot? or just romero ?

the fact the brighton player has had to slide to have a chance of getting something on the ball tells you how far behind bentancur he was to it, its not like hes had the ball at his feet. its terrible from bentancur, hes tried to be too clever and weve paid the price. yet again he should of been hooked long before as he was cleary jaded early in the second half.

 

[Slav]

Bearing in mind the errors of others, the fact that Romero wasn't switched on as the last line of defence (i.e. fulfilling the most basic aspect of his very well-paid JOB) isn't the only problem. Alongside Vic he should be barking at his backline and team to keep it together, especially as a captain and leader of men.

He's not our biggest problem to address but he is fast becoming one this season. The fact that brainfarts always seem to accompany international duty is an added stinker. Levels below Toby and Verts imho.

 

[HampshireSpur]

I don't agree. As I said I went to nearly ever match at that time and Modric was being talked about like he was Hoddel. Social media wasn't what it is now, I never mentioned Dembele. In the ground at Spurs there was big Croatia flag in the corner, he was not at all contentious. We were desperate for him to sign an extension. Modric was dominating Steven Gerrard at Anfield, we bloody knew what we had.


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Exactly my recollection, Modric was (rightly) immensely popular.

 

[dudu]

How could I have forgotten! 'Tis always the way.

He has his qualities but, as usual, he is grossly overrated by our bunch. And of his overall contribution since he's been here...is there really that much in credit? He's stopped the rashness but now his errors are directly related to us conceding.

So is CR...

...so NOT Romero then?

Not sure I would constrain it to just Brighton. We do have a habit of not being punished by our defensive mistake. WE get away with it...just like in the great start we had last year...we got away without being punished quite frequently. But you can't have that discussion round here because folks just want you to enjoy the 3 points.

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Nah, I just think it is about perspective. Most teams don't get punished for their defensive mistakes - Every team gets away with it plenty.

 

[Belgrano]

World cup winner, Serie A defender of the year, 'best CB in the world' (Messi), is not that good.

Personally I'd take King over Romero, but of other CBs in last 20 years, I don't think the likes of Alderweireld would necessarily have fared better in Ange's system.

His form isn't great, but we need to stick with him. He'll come good again.

 

[PapeMasterclass]

World cup winner, Serie A defender of the year, 'best CB in the world' (Messi), is not that good.

Personally I'd take King over Romero, but of other CBs in last 20 years, I don't think the likes of Alderweireld would necessarily have fared better in Ange's system.

His form isn't great, but we need to stick with him. He'll come good again.

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Prime Toby pisses all over Romero imo, but he's long gone so we've got to deal with what we have for now.

 

[Aphex]

This doesn't explain him letting Welbeck get a free shot in the first half when we were so dominant does it?

First half - we completely out number them with men back and Romero just leaves Welbeck.

This is nothing to do with anything you are trying to explain away above.


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That is unbelievably bad. Honestly unforgivable. And it's not the first time this season. He's honestly been rancid. He scores the odd goal at a corner and it glosses over how truly inept he is.

Sure he does have the odd good game, but that is the absolute basics of defending. That is Sunday league level. He has no idea where Welbeck is. And worst of all, he then blames Porro for letting the cross come in. It's purely casual.

Romero is of course the main culprit here, but questions again go back to the manager. Either Ange isn't getting the best out of him, or Romero isn't enjoying playing under Ange, whatever it is, Ange needs to find the answers.

He either bollocks Romero and drops him, or he starts getting him to switch on, because we can't go on like this.

He has cost us so many goals this season. If we had Dunk playing instead this season we'd be about 7 points better off.

 

[Aphex]

There was a large, overlapping % of fans that didn't appreciate either Modric or Dembele when they were with us. There was a big undercurrent of mockery toward the idea of "deep-lying playmakers" and "secondary assists" and other concepts that some regarded as fake tactical nous.

I certainly don't think it's 90% that appreciated either of them. Probably around 2/3 with the rest being the usual, loud knuckle draggers.

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Nope. Modric was widely regarded as one of our best ever players when he left, he was majestic. Everyone was desperate to hang on to him.

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

Prime Toby pisses all over Romero imo, but he's long gone so we've got to deal what we have for now.

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The bloke maybe an Argentine Nationalisht( or silly Scotsmen) the name maybe a clue but he's being utterly myopic. Firstly no one is saying Christian Romero is shit, but his form for the club he captains is poor. And he 100% has not reached the levels of consistency of Alderweireld or Vertonghen. King...forget about it never getting there.

 

[Aphex]

World cup winner, Serie A defender of the year, 'best CB in the world' (Messi), is not that good.

Personally I'd take King over Romero, but of other CBs in last 20 years, I don't think the likes of Alderweireld would necessarily have fared better in Ange's system.

His form isn't great, but we need to stick with him. He'll come good again.

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LMAO. One of the worst takes I've seen on here. Firstly don't mention King alongside this Frauds name. Secondly, Verts and Toby piss all over Romero from a great height. Franky I don't give a fk what players do for their country or in other leagues. What matters is what they do for us, and let's be honest, Romero has been largely underwhelming. Not only has he been a rash hot head who has cost us games with red cards, he also makes countless mistakes as we have seen this season.

Toby and Verts were consistently great and reliable. They were the main rock on our greatest ever PL defence. Show them some respect.

 

[Airfixx]

Nope. Modric was widely regarded as one of our best ever players when he left, he was majestic. Everyone was desperate to hang on to him.

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By the time he left; yes... But it wasn't always that way.

 

[dudu]

That is unbelievably bad. Honestly unforgivable. And it's not the first time this season. He's honestly been rancid. He scores the odd goal at a corner and it glosses over how truly inept he is.

Sure he does have the odd good game, but that is the absolute basics of defending. That is Sunday league level. He has no idea where Welbeck is. And worst of all, he then blames Porro for letting the cross come in. It's purely casual.

Romero is of course the main culprit here, but questions again go back to the manager. Either Ange isn't getting the best out of him, or Romero isn't enjoying playing under Ange, whatever it is, Ange needs to find the answers.

He either bollocks Romero and drops him, or he starts getting him to switch on, because we can't go on like this.

He has cost us so many goals this season. If we had Dunk playing instead this season we'd be about 7 points better off.

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I don't buy these lapses have anything to do with the system, or our defenders are the most overworked in the league.

Yes, the manager has to ensure his players are up for it and switched on but there is nothing in the video - during Brighton's first decent spell of the half, that anything other than the player simply switching off can be blamed.

He wasn't mentally fatigued, hadn't been overworked that half, wasn't chasing back a through ball or defending a ball over the top. There was no overload of attacking players - nothing. Every single other player was doing their job there - Romero knew Welbeck was there and just left him.

Agree that Ange has to find answers to this.

 

[TheSpurEst]

so he should of been switched on to the fact that despite bentancur being favourite to the ball, his teammate is going to do nothing and allow the brighton player to slide into the ball to get something on it to send it in the 6 yard box?

so what is romeros fault with the goal other than him having too much faith in his team mate to deal with a ball hes favourite too?

if you actually watch it back. VDV could of also of got closer to the ball, hes doing an eric dier while blocking an angle that isnt a danger and porro who can actually see welbeck is late to react also, welbeck has gambled on the fact that bentancur is going to have a brainfart and do nothing.

to be fair to VDV, hes watching bentancur and thinking hes first to the ball i dont need to go into it and make it a 3 man collision. but if youre gonna say romero should of known that bentancur is going to fuck up then maybe VDV should of gone in too and made sure the cross was completely blocked.

that goal is a result of udogie fucking about and giving away a throw, then being soft and getting done. then bentancur making a serious error in judgement and doing nothing while the ball is live. bentancur should be going into a 50-50 there with his left foot, not trying to get his right foot in the way and shield/turn whatever he was trying.

is porro to blame for also being relaxed and not anticipating bentancur being an idiot? or just romero ?

the fact the brighton player has had to slide to have a chance of getting something on the ball tells you how far behind bentancur he was to it, its not like hes had the ball at his feet. its terrible from bentancur, hes tried to be too clever and weve paid the price. yet again he should of been hooked long before as he was cleary jaded early in the second half.

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Haha - literally what the fuck are you on about.

You seriously try to ask if CB should have a striker covered in the box or not???
YES. Yes he should.

Also - CB is like last resort option who should also be aware and ready to bail out if there have been mistakes done elsewhere. Making sure we do not concede goals seems very obvious task for CB to have.
I do think that elite CB should be alert every microsecond of the game. Regardless if midfielder, fullback or whoever "is in better position to stop the attack". Elite CBs literally bail out their teammates.

But according to your understanding, if Bentancur fucks up then Romero could just stand in one place and point fingers then? Extremely weird take... and something I cannot agree to slightest.

 

[daveyboy88]

Haha - literally what the fuck are you on about.

You seriously try to ask if CB should have a striker covered in the box or not???
YES. Yes he should.

Also - CB is like last resort option who should also be aware and ready to bail out if there have been mistakes done elsewhere. Making sure we do not concede goals seems very obvious task for CB to have.
I do think that elite CB should be alert every microsecond of the game. Regardless if midfielder, fullback or whoever "is in better position to stop the attack". Elite CBs literally bail out their teammates.

But according to your understanding, if Bentancur fucks up then Romero could just stand in one place and point fingers then? Extremely weird take... and something I cannot agree to slightest.

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so are porro and VDV not to blame as well then? welbeck is behind romero, so where should romero be positioned to cover him since hes in between him and porro?

yes romero you could argue is too relaxed, but so is porro and VDV, maybe something to do with watching bentancur losing out on a ball thats hes first too.