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Player Cristian Romero

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An astonishingly vacuous and cowardly response.

As such I remain confident in my assessment that Christian Romero is our most important player. And I will continue to assert it until I see evidence to the contrary.

So that's where we are I guess. Enjoy your day 🤷‍♂️

FYI, only 3 players have played in every win this season

Vicario
Porro
VDV

Romero was missing in 2 of them.
 
LOL, my response is vacuous?

You remain confident in your own assessment based on the data you have found that supports your assessment. You must be a politician.

If you're going to completely vacate the debating space I really don't know what you're doing here? So, yes, your response is vacuous. It provides no value; no insight and certainly no effort on your part.

So I've concluded you have no interest in meaningful discussion. Fair enough - you certainly aren't the only one on here to do so but I genuinely thought better of you. My mistake.

Enjoy your day.
 
FYI, only 3 players have played in every win this season

Vicario
Porro
VDV

Romero was missing in 2 of them.

Oh, you can make an effort. Progress.

It's not much of an effort as it uses a very small dataset but if you broaden it out to 23/24 season and since I'm sure there's an argument to be made that Porro and/or Vicario are our most important players. GK is certainly a crucial position.

If you want to make that argument for any or all of them I'd be interested in hearing further.
 
Stockholm syndrome numbers might need some adjusting.

He will be back for the Liverpool game in all his glory. Mind you, his current yellow count is on 9 - if he picks up a yellow against either Liverpool or Nottingham, he gets hit with another two match suspension.

So I would really advise against relying on him for anything substantial. ;)
 
Oh, you can make an effort. Progress.

It's not much of an effort as it uses a very small dataset but if you broaden it out to 23/24 season and since I'm sure there's an argument to be made that Porro and/or Vicario are our most important players. GK is certainly a crucial position.

If you want to make that argument for any or all of them I'd be interested in hearing further.

I cant make that argument - because by nature of the position - GK plays in every win and loss and draw

So any goalkeeper would play in every win - regardless of their skillset

Essentially, what we are saying is that the player who stays the most fit and gets the fewest suspensions or is a goalkeeper is the most important.

Is most important just being on the pitch? Seems like it

Seems like Bentancur has played in as many wins as Romero, too, so I guess this season Bentancur is as important a player for us as Romero
 
We have played in 8 league draws this season. Romero played in them all.

In league games without Romero we have not drawn once.

That is a fact my friend. Not a "lie".

Once again you've come bursting into the thread with more falsehoods, more straw men, more unfocused ranting and, I'm afraid to say, increasingly concerning and baffling conclusions.

I saw to you again: this season has been an absolute binfire and we're all really fucked off about it but YOU really need to deal with it better.

Now... obviously this season has been particularly tough for you as you spent all last season insisting that all our ills in the league were the fault of Ange Postecoglou. You weren't alone in that take and you were slightly less abusive than certain others in promulgating it but... it's safe to say events have rather brutally proved you wrong and that's not easy to accept - especially when you're having to converse with those of us who patiently tried to warn you that our ills run far deeper than any manager.

Also, you are on the record as declaring Thomas Frank your first and best choice to replace Ange Postecoglou. He's now been sacked after getting us into an actual relegation fight. This is distressing for all of us obviously, but particularly for you having invested so much moral and intellectual capital into him.

But it's all good, bruh. Everyone makes mistakes. It's how you react to those mistakes that matter - and that's where I'm afraid you're really letting yourself down. You're so angry and full of self-loathing you're lashing out constantly - not just on this thread but on all of them.

Now, if you want to rebut my thesis that "Christian Romero is our most important player" then, please, make an argument. Provide an alternative. Provide some evidence. Do anything other than this mad futile anger and rage.

But some friendly advice? I wouldn't go with "Kevin Danso is as important as Christian Romero". :cautious: :D
"and, this season, we can't even scrape a draw if he's not there - then you're just not accepting the evidence."
There you go playing dumb again. By saying "we can't even scrape a draw" that insinuates we can't even draw let alone win. If you meant it the way you are now stating you would have written "we don't draw when Romero doesn't play".

Now... obviously this season has been particularly tough for you as you spent all last season insisting that all our ills in the league were the fault of Ange Postecoglou.

Again actually not true if I am being as pedantic as you. I also blamed poor referring decisions and Injuries so insisting all our ills was due to him is false.

Also, you are on the record as declaring Thomas Frank your first and best choice to replace Ange Postecoglou


Factually true until Ange won the Europa. I then stated I would have Xavi over Frank and I would even keep Ange for another season over Frank. I stated we need to replace him with someone that has won something otherwise there is no point replacing him at all as the players won't buy into someone that hasn't won.



You have to get your facts right before deciding to change the topic matter mate otherwise you look silly.
 
I cant make that argument - because by nature of the position - GK plays in every win and loss and draw

So any goalkeeper would play in every win - regardless of their skillset

To be honest GK is such a crucial position it probably doesn't count in this discussion simply because Vicario is so vastly superior to our other options it makes him ipso facto our "most important player".


Essentially, what we are saying is that the player who stays the most fit and gets the fewest suspensions or is a goalkeeper is the most important.

Is most important just being on the pitch? Seems like it

Um... no. That's not what this data quantifies. It shows us, in very raw terms, who makes the most impact (WINS) when they are on the pitch as opposed to be off it.

Seems like Bentancur has played in as many wins as Romero, too, so I guess this season Bentancur is as important a player for us as Romero

Since 23/24 Bents raw win/loss stats are (Romero's in brackets):

Wins With: 25 (30)
Wins Without: 14 (8)

Losses with: 33 (27)
Losses without 16 (12)

Draws with: 12 (15)
Draws without: 7 (4)

I don't think Rodrigo Bentancur is anywhere near being our most important player. Which is a large part of the problem. Our CM is a fucking mess which is why Romero and Van de Ven are so clearly vital to whatever small success we have.

Porro would be an interesting comparison.
 
Oh god I miss this clarity. Get him in at Spurs at some fucking level he gets it!!!!

I'd play him in goal.


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"and, this season, we can't even scrape a draw if he's not there - then you're just not accepting the evidence."
There you go playing dumb again. By saying "we can't even scrape a draw" that insinuates we can't even draw let alone win. If you meant it the way you are now stating you would have written "we don't draw when Romero doesn't play".

Now... obviously this season has been particularly tough for you as you spent all last season insisting that all our ills in the league were the fault of Ange Postecoglou.

Again actually not true if I am being as pedantic as you. I also blamed poor referring decisions and Injuries so insisting all our ills was due to him is false.

Also, you are on the record as declaring Thomas Frank your first and best choice to replace Ange Postecoglou


Factually true until Ange won the Europa. I then stated I would have Xavi over Frank and I would even keep Ange for another season over Frank. I stated we need to replace him with someone that has won something otherwise there is no point replacing him at all as the players won't buy into someone that hasn't won.



You have to get your facts right before deciding to change the topic matter mate otherwise you look silly.


Can you format this better please? It's very unwieldy to read and reply too.

In the meantime I'll assume you apologised for saying I "lied" about a very simple statement of fact.

Also I'd take your at your word that you changed your mind about Frank replacing Ange after the Europa League victory but seeing as you posted this about Frank on 23rd August:

He was my number one choice to take over Ange from the beginning.

I'll just have to assume you were riding high on our early wins and had completely forgotten that you wanted Xavi or Ange to stay?

I wouldn't want to accuse you of "lying". :D
 
People doing mental gymnastics to get out of admitting he's our best player.

Petulant and erratic at times yes.
But also comfortably our best player when he's at it.

So all we can do is hope he's at it for the run in. If he is, we will be a much better side than we will be with Danso or Dragusin playing out of their skins.
I’d say that was more indicative of the shit state of our squad, than an endorsement of the calibre of the individual player!

Also having to ‘hope he’s at it for the run in’?! WTF??!!! That statement says it all as far as Romero is concerned! 🙄
 
People doing mental gymnastics to get out of admitting he's our best player.

Petulant and erratic at times yes.
But also comfortably our best player when he's at it.

So all we can do is hope he's at it for the run in. If he is, we will be a much better side than we will be with Danso or Dragusin playing out of their skins.

Agree. It's just futile cope from people who don't want to admit just how bad a state the squad is in,

We just have to hope he helps us stay up. Then hopefully the fucking club can do something about him being clearly our best player. Like sign some fucking quality.

Then either he stays as 4th/5th banana - or we sell him, build the defence around Vusco, and hopefully brighter days. .
 
To be honest GK is such a crucial position it probably doesn't count in this discussion simply because Vicario is so vastly superior to our other options it makes him ipso facto our "most important player".




Um... no. That's not what this data quantifies. It shows us, in very raw terms, who makes the most impact (WINS) when they are on the pitch as opposed to be off it.



Since 23/24 Bents raw win/loss stats are (Romero's in brackets):

Wins With: 25 (30)
Wins Without: 14 (8)

Losses with: 33 (27)
Losses without 16 (12)

Draws with: 12 (15)
Draws without: 7 (4)

I don't think Rodrigo Bentancur is anywhere near being our most important player. Which is a large part of the problem. Our CM is a fucking mess which is why Romero and Van de Ven are so clearly vital to whatever small success we have.

Porro would be an interesting comparison.

I hate myself for getting involved lol

Our result doesnt quantify the impact of any given player.

The way you are working this out, every player who plays ina. win gets a 1 and who plays in a loss gets a zero - but that doesnt show any fucking impact they have had on the game.

By your method, a player who was on the field for an entire 90 mins but touched the ball 2 times has the same 'impact' as someone who touches it 80 times.

It makes no sense.

The result of a game does not tell you of that player's impact at all.
 
Romero is our best player, the people who think he isn’t wont be able to give you an alternative...they can't even use Micky anymore as he's public enemy no1 now it seems :D
 
Can you format this better please? It's very unwieldy to read and reply too.

In the meantime I'll assume you apologised for saying I "lied" about a very simple statement of fact.

Also I'd take your at your word that you changed your mind about Frank replacing Ange after the Europa League victory but seeing as you posted this about Frank on 23rd August:



I'll just have to assume you were riding high on our early wins and had completely forgotten that you wanted Xavi or Ange to stay?

I wouldn't want to accuse you of "lying". :D
Don't worry mate you don't need to accuse me of lying I've got the post right here ....


It doesn't make sense replacing him with Thomas Frank after we've just won the Europa. Parker? Silva? none of these managers have won anything. It sends a really bad message if we replace the manager that has won the club major silverware with managers who haven't won anything.

Xavi, Glasner, Emery and yes ok that's fine. We can still send the message that winning silverware is actually important but there's something really odd about replacing him with a manager that hasn't won anything right after we've won something. This is feeling like they're doing it to not follow through with Ange's demands of buying experience and they can stick to punts.
posted on the the 2nd June (before he left). That's one of many times I stated it was better keeping him then bringing Frank in and guess what??? You liked the post. The irony is delicious.
I'll accept your apology and forget this ever happened though mate.
 
I hate myself for getting involved lol

Our result doesnt quantify the impact of any given player.

The way you are working this out, every player who plays ina. win gets a 1 and who plays in a loss gets a zero - but that doesnt show any fucking impact they have had on the game.

By your method, a player who was on the field for an entire 90 mins but touched the ball 2 times has the same 'impact' as someone who touches it 80 times.

It makes no sense.

The result of a game does not tell you of that player's impact at all.

Oh... I thought were you interested in addressing the actual argument. But you're still only interested in quibbling about what the data I use signifies.

I accept it's very raw and blunt data - but it's still instructive. If you want to use different data be my guest. If you want to convince me I'm wrong I' m desperate to hear it.

If you don't - then just move on. 🤷‍♂️

At least contribute something.
 
Don't worry mate you don't need to accuse me of lying I've got the post right here ....



posted on the the 2nd June (before he left). That's one of many times I stated it was better keeping him then bringing Frank in and guess what??? You liked the post. The irony is delicious.
I'll accept your apology and forget this ever happened though mate.

So you flip-flopped? You Starmered it. You got high on a couple of early victories and went back to declaring that Frank was always the bestest and you loved him the mostest?

And you thought telling us this now makes you look good?

Anyway - I liked that post because it was a good post. You used to be a good, if acerbic, poster. Now you've been crushed so badly you're a mess. Please. Come back to yourself. :ange-pray:
 
So you flip-flopped? You Starmered it. You got high on a couple of early victories and went back to declaring that Frank was always the bestest and you loved him the mostest?

And you thought telling us this now makes you look good?

Anyway - I liked that post because it was a good post. You used to be a good, if acerbic, poster. Now you've been crushed so badly you're a mess. Please. Come back to yourself. :ange-pray:
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So you flip-flopped? You Starmered it. You got high on a couple of early victories and went back to declaring that Frank was always the bestest and you loved him the mostest?

And you thought telling us this now makes you look good?

Anyway - I liked that post because it was a good post. You used to be a good, if acerbic, poster. Now you've been crushed so badly you're a mess. Please. Come back to yourself. :ange-pray:
Hahahahahah you're actually embarrassing. Instead of saying "fair play I was wrong for the millionth time" you resort to this and who the fuck is "us" anyway? I'm telling YOU this you egotistical weirdo. You're going on like you're some type of spokesperson for the board.

"Flip flopped"...that's what you call it because you are extremely stubborn and egotistical. I on the other hand don't care about being wrong because I realise I am human so therefore fallible.

I saw we actually won a European trophy and changed my opinion on hiring Frank because I didn't believe the players would buy into a coach that hadn't won anything. I thought it best we brought in a coach that had won something (Xavi was my first choice followed by Emery) or stuck with Ange for another season because the risk of bringing in a coach that hadn't won anything wasnt worth it imo. Normal people change their opinions based on new evidence whereas egotistical twerps stick with their opinion despite new evidence.
 
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