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Player Dejan Kulusevski

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fogueres said:
The Juventus of the last two or three years has been a different, confused Juventus. Newcomers like Kulusevski paid a lot for the coach changes: Sarri, Pirlo and the return of Allegri. The transition to a different football was a failure. At Juventus the most important sentence is that of Boniperti (former player and former president): "Winning is not important, it's the only thing that matters"
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I know you've been a mess. But whenever I've watched you I do still think certain players stand out as having innate quality, even when they're in bad form or struggling with the setup. For me whenever I've watched Kulu I haven't seen that, yes he has technical ability but he always wants to play at his own pace and seems to struggle when pressurised. These kind of players seem to struggle in the modern game where it's played at one million miles an hour, especially in England.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
I know you've been a mess. But whenever I've watched you I do still think certain players stand out as having innate quality, even when they're in bad form or struggling with the setup. For me whenever I've watched Kulu I haven't seen that, yes he has technical ability but he always wants to play at his own pace and seems to struggle when pressurised. These kind of players seem to struggle in the modern game where it's played at one million miles an hour, especially in England.
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Juventus had invested a lot in him but he was in the right place at the wrong time. Even the fans had targeted him a bit: you have to change in some cases.
 
fogueres said:


Juventus had invested a lot in him but he was in the right place at the wrong time. Even the fans had targeted him a bit: you have to change in some cases.
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I've watched this vid before (Think it's been posted a couple of times) and honestly it's a bit .. mediocre? There's a couple of nice moments and first time finishes, but nothing exceptional here really, and usually from a highlights package you're expecting something special.

My main issue with him (as noted) is whenever I've seen him he tries to slow play down too much. You won't get away with that against most teams in England, shit he hasn't really been getting away with it in Italy. I'm hopeful Conte will find a role for him where he has space to operate it, as the technical ability is there.

More hopeful than expectant. But thanks for your thoughts, it's good to get another perspective. Hopefully you're right and this just wasn't the right club for him at this point in his career.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
I've watched this vid before (Think it's been posted a couple of times) and honestly it's a bit .. mediocre? There's a couple of nice moments and first time finishes, but nothing exceptional here really, and usually from a highlights package you're expecting something special.

My main issue with him (as noted) is whenever I've seen him he tries to slow play down too much. You won't get away with that against most teams in England, shit he hasn't really been getting away with it in Italy. I'm hopeful Conte will find a role for him where he has space to operate it, as the technical ability is there.

More hopeful than expectant. But thanks for your thoughts, it's good to get another perspective. Hopefully you're right and this just wasn't the right club for him at this point in his career.
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If you see the video on Douglas Costa's most beautiful plays, you fall in love with the circus acts he did: the problem is that the substance was not much. I saw the Amazon TV series on Juventus "All or nothing" and by reviewing it I was quick to report on some decisive matches of Kulusevski that I had removed.
 
How do you pronounce his first name?

Can we nickname him mustard ?


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fogueres said:
If you see the video on Douglas Costa's most beautiful plays, you fall in love with the circus acts he did: the problem is that the substance was not much. I saw the Amazon TV series on Juventus "All or nothing" and by reviewing it I was quick to report on some decisive matches of Kulusevski that I had removed.
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I was a huge Douglas Costa fan. One of those players who teams simply can't defend against, so many times he would isolate and beat a fullback and just embarrass them repeatedly. I do have a soft spot for those kind of players, would adore a prime Costa at Spurs.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Why would anyone care what you explain to them? What makes your opinion carry any weight? I don't expect you to listen to me about Kulu, you rate him and that's fine. I don't, but don't start the bullshit about football IQ because some fans don't rate a player who has objectively flopped at Juve, isn't rated by most of their fanbase, and whose stock has fallen so low they're doing a loan to buy and seemingly we have zero competition.

He may well be great. I hope so. But this idea you and others are so much smarter and seeing this great footballers others don't have the capability to perceive is A grade bullshit. Utter nonsense. I guarantee I've watched more Juventus games than you have in the last 2 years, and I'd like you to sit here and tell me what you've seen from him (not from highlight packages) which makes you so smug in your assessment of the player.
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can't you read? I said not me. Why he (and you) should listen to others? It would benefit you because there are some posters here with a good understanding of the game. Then there are is the special group with Igula, Tyler and you. I think the three of you would benefit if you listened more to others.

And people believing in Kulu thinking they are smarter? You must think you are smarter than Conte. You have more faith in some random posters on a forum. I think you think you are smarter because you get so much inside information at those forum that Conte has no access to. If he was only as smart as you!
 
spursfan76 said:
can't you read? I said not me. Why he (and you) should listen to others? It would benefit you because there are some posters here with a good understanding of the game. Then there are is the special group with Igula, Tyler and you. I think the three of you would benefit if you listened more to others.
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Then there are is? I don't think we're the ones in a 'special' group.

I really don't care about your opinion, or which ones you do and don't value based on what you want to hear. I've seen enough in the Kane thread, honestly if you have any opinion the opposite is probably going to be true.
 
spursfan76 said:
can't you read? I said not me. Why he (and you) should listen to others? It would benefit you because there are some posters here with a good understanding of the game. Then there are is the special group with Igula, Tyler and you. I think the three of you would benefit if you listened more to others.
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we all have our opinions man, they are just that opinions

if he turns good for us awesome

if he turns bad well we wont be paying the 40 mill thats for sure

we all like our wingers with pace and crossing prowess

for me if we are to play to his strengths he needs to be a number 10

and we still need a rw like a raphinha maybe
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Then there are is? I don't think we're the ones in a 'special' group.

I really don't care about your opinion, or which ones you do and don't value based on what you want to hear. I've seen enough in the Kane thread, honestly if you have any opinion the opposite is probably going to be true.
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Oh yes, you are. You seem to hate every single player except for Kane. You have an obsession with him and someone criticising him is personal to you. That you can't see how bad he has been this season says it all. Oh well, keep posting what people on Juve forums are saying about their recently sold players and let it form your opinion. You are one of those posters unable to form an opinion on your own. You make a nice group.
 
spursfan76 said:
Oh yes, you are. You seem to hate every single player except for Kane. You have an obsession with him and someone criticising him is personal to you. That you can't see how bad he has been this season says it all. Oh well, keep posting what people on Juve forums are saying about their recently sold players and let it form your opinion. You are one of those posters unable to form an opinion on your own. You make a nice group.
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I like and have praised a number of players from our squad, I just defend Kane from psychos like you who shit all over him the second he's hit bad form. You want to hype up players we haven't even signed yet as world beaters but hate one of our all time top scorers, go figure.

My opinion is based on a number of factors, including the fact I have zero faith in Paratici or his signings based on what he's done for Spurs so far. I may be wrong, but I'm absolutely capable of forming that possibly wrong opinion on my own, and have done so. Just because I have supported that opinion with what Juventus fans think of their own player doesn't mean that forms the entire basis of how I rate him.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
I've watched this vid before (Think it's been posted a couple of times) and honestly it's a bit .. mediocre? There's a couple of nice moments and first time finishes, but nothing exceptional here really, and usually from a highlights package you're expecting something special.

My main issue with him (as noted) is whenever I've seen him he tries to slow play down too much. You won't get away with that against most teams in England, shit he hasn't really been getting away with it in Italy. I'm hopeful Conte will find a role for him where he has space to operate it, as the technical ability is there.

More hopeful than expectant. But thanks for your thoughts, it's good to get another perspective. Hopefully you're right and this just wasn't the right club for him at this point in his career.
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This guy is going to be a one of the biggest busts and that’s saying something given how underwhelming our signings have been

His ‘highlights’ even scream bang average to subpar…
 
Raumdeuterz said:
I like and have praised a number of players from our squad, I just defend Kane from psychos like you who shit all over him the second he's hit bad form. You want to hype up players we haven't even signed yet as world beaters but hate one of our all time top scorers, go figure.

My opinion is based on a number of factors, including the fact I have zero faith in Paratici or his signings based on what he's done for Spurs so far. I may be wrong, but I'm absolutely capable of forming that possibly wrong opinion on my own, and have done so. Just because I have supported that opinion with what Juventus fans think of their own player doesn't mean that forms the entire basis of how I rate him.
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The real value of Kulusevski is to be understood: he arrived at Juventus at the worst moment. Tactical confusion, double players. Before judging it, I would see this midseason.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
xA of 8 is good. xA of 6 is mediocre. It's not monstrous or bad, it's just okay. We badly lack creative players so that doesn't surprise me at all. But last season Son's xA was 9.51 and he's hardly thought of as a great creative force.

If he comes here and puts up those numbers in the Prem, that's fine, he'll have done OK. But this league is a step up, no doubt, so you can expect those numbers to drop if we're being realistic. My issue is if we're claiming those are extraordinary numbers when they aren't.
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James78 said:
'His xA was 8 at Parma, 6 at Juve last season, and not even 2 this season'
Ugh. Stop getting football wrong.
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....ahem, sorry for interrupting the flow...

I know I'm gonna sound like some '70s 'Boomer' who apparently now has no place at a football match any more, (and I'm taking one for the team here, 'cos no doubt I'll get ridiculed by all yooz kidz out there in Interwebs-land)
...but what in the flying fuck shit of Christ's cocksack is an xA ....and how come '6' of them are SOOOO much worse than '8'?
And WHY are people getting so irate about it all....?

Chillaxxxxx .... they're only numbers guyyyyyys!

....asking for a friend!!
 
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