Player Dejan Kulusevski

[todd1882]

I mean our best stuff, such as it was, came down his side tonight.

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Ok, 2 things: 1) was "our best stuff" actually good stuff? Relative quality is useless. Was it obejctively good and effective stuff? 2) was it due to Porro or Kulu?

He's got technical quality

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Competence, not quality. Horribly 1 footed, cannot resist pressure with the ball at his feet, and can only get his head up in space.

is comfortable and keen to exploit playing in tight quarters.

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I call shenanigans on this.

He's an extremely useful Premier League attacking player.

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Funny you should say this because he's been extremely useless this season. He wasn't an "extremely useful" Serie A player so it's weird to expect or describe him as one in the PL. Rarely does that happen as what would make someone good in teh PL would certainly carry over to Serie A but not necessarily vice versa.

He's capable when space and time is provided but if you cannot provide your own then you can NEVER be described in such glowing words. You can be bottled up and he has been all season.

We must stop the love affairs with average players because they are our least smelly turds. Just got rid of one in Dele and now we've got another in Kulu (though at least technically competent on that 1 foot). It may take time but you'll see. We need players that can effect games without perfectly cooked porridge.

 

[Rooster]

No, but there is evidence that he can't do it in this setup nor the different ones at Juve...which is why he's here. Additionally, there is no evidence that he CAN do it in any other tactical setups either. You keep holding out hope though...Juve fans told us, I told ya, and a few others said the same thing about him. His play last season was the same except he scored a few goals.


It wasn't! NOnsense hyperbole.


Yeah, that they have limited skillsets with limited tactical application...but we've know that with Sonny ans some of us have known it about Kulu.

No real need to keep going back and forth on this one. You're going to need more time to accept what is in front of you. I can appreciate that. But you'll come back to these words "we must not make this move permanent".

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You say limited skillsets... so what kind of winger do you want? It seems you want a world class winger that can do everything..... but how many of them are out there and how many of them will come to Spurs?

We can even argue that best winger we had for decades or if ever was Son and he was lauded as world class when he was on fire last year....

I think you need to think of our situation... we are not Real or City...

 

[daveyboy88]

been poor recently. lost that sharp edge he had before cunt face took him out the team when he was white hot. hasnt been as sharp since.

still a million miles better than son on the other side, at least kulu can pass a ball

 

[todd1882]

You say limited skillsets

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well, technically all players have limited skillsets...some just are worse than others. But we've been trying to make Sonny a ball-to-feet attacker all year...how's that going ?

so what kind of winger do you want?

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doesn't matter what I want, really. But since you asked I would say one's better than what we have. Vague, sure, but no less true.

It seems you want a world class winger that can do everything..

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I don't even ascribe to the WORLD CLASS (tm) nonsense. I use that term derisively. My belief is that all players are a set of playing qualities or characteristics. It's up to the coach to identify them and fit them into some tactical plan.

Fitting a player like Kulu into a plan would mean devising a system that would take advantage of his decision making ability in transition while receiving the ball with time and space. Pretty much similar to Eriksen except CE could move about the pitch as his skillset was more rounded.

But making this player permanent when a new mgr is on the way is crazy. Juve have to sell as they are in a mess. We shouldn't load this tweener player onto another mgr. I know yall don't see it but this player is more what we've seen this year than what his goal contributions suggest from last year. And without HK he will be worse.

 

[Deleted member 15482]

Was great last season, extremely underwhelmed with him this season. Overall, I'm not that bothered if we make him permanent. If we do, fingers crossed he's the player from last season.

 

[FightingIllini]

He wasn't an "extremely useful" Serie A player so it's weird to expect or describe him as one in the PL. Rarely does that happen as what would make someone good in teh PL would certainly carry over to Serie A but not necessarily vice versa.

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He's much better suited to the style of play in the PL than he was in Serie A, that was immediately apparent, IMO.

He thrives in unstructured situations especially when opponents over-commit. You get a lot of that kind of chaos in the PL.

He's very seldom been at his best this year, that much is true. But I maintain that we'd be fools to let him walk away at 22 when the price is so reasonable.

 

[Notabadsquad]

Was great last season, extremely underwhelmed with him this season. Overall, I'm not that bothered if we make him permanent. If we do, fingers crossed he's the player from last season.

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Not at his best but a player to buy. Best is yet to come I'm sure.

 

[jonomarch]

why the hate for Kulu he is one of the better players in a side thats struggling even to put 2 passes together. He is 21 i think, and he has his best years ahead of him and for 35million quid you would be a joke to get rid of him.

 

[todd1882]

He's much better suited to the style of play in the PL than he was in Serie A, that was immediately apparent, IMO.

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You should go back and watch a couple games from last season like the Soton game (I think...might have been Villa game) and the Brighton game...absolutely pocketed and petulant because he faced a more athletic player. He didn't lay a hand on them.

He thrives in unstructured situations especially when opponents over-commit. You get a lot of that kind of chaos in the PL.

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Right...so you planning on us continuing the counter-attacking ethos next season then? Not sure that's back to our DNA of playing on the front foot, attacking football.

But I maintain that we'd be fools to let him walk away at 22 when the price is so reasonable.

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opportunity cost my man. As someone pointed out we have 11 players on loan...because they are not good enough relative to what we demand in fees. This is another one that we'd want 50+ million for and he'll never warrant it which means he will be here a long fucking time being meh and preventing any further moves.

I just watch the HK goal show and was angered by all the faces that stayed around way too long after many on the vanguard recognized they were shit. This player is not good enough. His not-good-enough-ness will place a foreign player in a position that will further limit any future moves because we won't be able to get rid...he will be here until he's 27+. And think of all the players we'll miss out on because we are lumbered with him...asking the same question week in week out...what's wrong with Dele Kulu.

I mean, I know folks loved and miss Lamela but we didn't have to replace him...the ginger, Swedish Lamela is what we have on our hands and folks want to make it permanent because they didn't learn the first time.

 

[todd1882]

Not at his best but a player to buy. Best is yet to come I'm sure.

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When it doesn't will you be less certain in your opinions going forward? That would be learning...which is a great thing.

 

[FightingIllini]

I mean, I know folks loved and miss Lamela but we didn't have to replace him...the ginger, Swedish Lamela is what we have on our hands and folks want to make it permanent because they didn't learn the first time.

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Lamela was good. Utterly unreliable from a fitness perspective, but good.

I dunno man, I just feel like Kulu creates boatloads of problems for defenses and makes the whole team harder to defend.

Now, would I entertain a large transfer offer for him? Yes.

But his market value is way over 35M.

 

[todd1882]

Lamela was good. Utterly unreliable from a fitness perspective, but good.

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under the right circumstances he could be useful. And availability is the best ability as I'm sure you know.

I dunno man, I just feel like Kulu creates boatloads of problems for defenses and makes the whole team harder to defend.

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A player that can't beat me with the ball nor run me doesn't create any problems for me. We have no intrinsic threat as none of our front three can take it to the house so to speak. They all need help.

Now, would I entertain a large transfer offer for him? Yes.

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As I would expect you to.

But his market value is way over 35M.

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Think so? Seems the only folks dumb enough for that was the club where the crooked ex-Juve exec had taken his crooked ways. And he utilized them to spend stupid money on players that were 'worth' half that at the time. And fans of that previous club basically laid out a map to this current meh-ness.

I will take his market as 50M considering your point...who's buying him?

And again, my criticisms aren't new for this player. I said it at the time and during his 'productive time'.

 

[FightingIllini]

Think so? Seems the only folks dumb enough for that was the club where the crooked ex-Juve exec had taken his crooked ways. And he utilized them to spend stupid money on players that were 'worth' half that at the time. And fans of that previous club basically laid out a map to this current meh-ness.

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I mean if this is your view of the Kulu and Bentancur acquisitions, what do you think about Ndombele?

I'm with you that "tallest midget" isn't an argument, but those are honestly our two best buys since Sonny.

 

[todd1882]

I mean if this is your view of the Kulu and Bentancur acquisitions, what do you think about Ndombele?

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Not sure Ndom comes into it as the circumstances/conditions were diff. He was playing well and wanted around Europe and Bentancur and Kulu were busts at their big club and were wanted out but there were NO takers in the summer...but we showed up with our crooked DOF and pockets full o'money to take them off our crooked DOF's crooked former team.

I'm with you that "tallest midget" isn't an argument, but those are honestly our two best buys since Sonny.

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Probably true but more an indictment of our general recruitment than kudos for these specific acquisitions...what I'm saying is that it was a low bar which is to be expected of the first club to say 'Ahhh, fuck it' to a transfer window.

 

[FightingIllini]

Not sure Ndom comes into it as the circumstances/conditions were diff. He was playing well and wanted around Europe and Bentancur and Kulu were busts at their big club and were wanted out but there were NO takers in the summer...but we showed up with our crooked DOF and pockets full o'money to take them off our crooked DOF's crooked former team.

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Ridiculous IMO.

Ndombele is very talented and seemed so suited to today's football, it's a mystery to me why his career has been such a disaster.

But Kulu and Bentancur are both much, much better players and cost less money combined.

That's what player recruitment is.

There were good players Paratici knew that Juve were willing to part with so he went and got them.

 

[Deleted 15229]

been poor recently. lost that sharp edge he had before cunt face took him out the team when he was white hot. hasnt been as sharp since.

still a million miles better than son on the other side, at least kulu can pass a ball

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So can Hojberg, and just like Hojberg, everything he did went backwards

 

[Shadydan]

The guy has talent, clearly - one that can be worked on by a progressive man manager.

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

...but he is the only one I'm concerned with in the Kulu thread so let's constrain any convo to that.


Good players can shine in any system. Those that cannot are the definition of 'system players' and they are not a priority...especially as a foreign player.

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His nationality is irrelevant if he is good enough in a system we WANT (I dont want to play it !!!) to play. I think it's obvious why NONE of the wide players have been good. It stems almost entirely from the midfield twos inability to retain the ball.

You have a player centrally (Skipp/Hojbjerg) going very deep to recover the ball from the centerbacks then failing to progress the ball through the middle third pulling the opposition out of shape and giving the wide players space to operate in. Kulu isn't particularly quick Son can't trap a bag so they need the space made for them.

The system is rank. Last season we had more contribution from the wing backs and teams did not know what to expect. Right now we are a discordant mess.

 

[todd1882]

There were good players Paratici knew that Juve were willing to part with so he went and got them.

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...and we paid 2x as much as they would have taken in the summer when there were no takers. Perhaps you are inappropriately ascribing inspiration to these moves of a crooked DOF. They were on the market for some time with no takers. Just because, in your current opinion, they seemed to have worked out doesn't mean the motives behind their moves were pure.

But Kulu and Bentancur are both much, much better players and cost less money combined.

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Again, what do Kulu and Bentancur have to do with Ndombele? I've no interest in this shell game.

That's what player recruitment is.

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I will check back with you directly as your opinion of these moves evolves. We will be aligned in our opinions but I won't have to move. I'll wait for you.

There were good players Paratici knew that Juve were willing to part with so he went and got them.

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Ascribing genius where none exists. We overpaid for their 'garbage' and folks are acting like kids on xmas with their toys and overrating them...until you see what other kid's toys are like... I look forward to checking back with you at season's end.

 

[FightingIllini]

Do we have any good players other than Kane, in your view?