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Player Dejan Kulusevski

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The guy has talent, clearly - one that can be worked on by a progressive man manager.
His issue seems to be that he's lacking the decisiveness of last season. He used to make the right decision almost every time.

Right now he looks unsure on the ball and consistently loses the ball in situations where an easy pass or shot is available.
 
We need to make this loan move permanent as quickly as possible. His game has been going to new levels. And thanks to the esteemed posters in this thread I now know a bit more about the football and can see in this player all the wonderful things most others see.

Wouldn't be surprised if he nets another 5-10 goals this season just like he did last. World class player!

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We need to make this loan move permanent as quickly as possible. His game has been going to new levels. And thanks to the esteemed posters in this thread I now know a bit more about the football and can see in this player all the wonderful things most others see.

Wouldn't be surprised if he nets another 5-10 goals this season just like he did last. World class player!

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I dunno man, he caused Brighton all kinds of problems, so much of what succeeded in an attacking sense came through him, and he was also chipping in defensively in a way Son never does.
 
I dunno man, he caused Brighton all kinds of problems, so much of what succeeded in an attacking sense came through him, and he was also chipping in defensively in a way Son never does.
Agree, he's obviously missing the final pass and shot right now but over the course of 90 mins, he keeps the oppo defenses running far more than Kane or Son.

Son and Kane score the banger and then disappear.
 
:harrylol: This is a nice way of wording it...but absolutely, how much "succeeded in an attacking sense" today? Just asking but if that's your takeaway from today's game then I won't argue it witcha. Perhaps it will take a few more games.
I mean the pattern of the game was always going to be Spurs going for rapid-fire counters whenever they could intercept long spells of Brighton possession given the managers involved.

Our front 3 in general felt on each other's wavelength for the first time in awhile. They knew the scouting report, make Dunk run backward and good things will happen.
 
He worked hard today but is struggling for form. For the money, he is worth buying, but we should aim to have a squad where players at his level aren't guaranteed to start. If they get hot, yes, if not it's to the bench. Right now, we don't really have any good alternatives. Maybe Richarlison but he prefers the other side and should probably get a go instead of Son, who has been terrible despite the worldy today.
 
This is a pile of shit of a reply...full of poorly thought out measures.
He worked hard today but is struggling for form.
Struggling for form? LOL you've seen him shit for much longer than anything you could point to as good yet it's "form" that he's struggling for instead of it just being a player with less than you thought they had...that is, being wrong in your initial assessment.

For the money, he is worth buying,
That's right, if you are going to populate your squad with shit then let it be of the inexpensive and foreign variety. That way we can guarantee that Real Madrid will never come and take our beloved player away.

Is that the theory behind this nonsense?

but we should aim to have a squad where players at his level aren't guaranteed to start.
Or...OR, we could aim to avoid having players with so little to offer clogging up our squad! That's a novel idea. Let me take a guess, you thought Poch was the problem...the Mou was the problem...and then Nuno and then Conte was the problem? Is that accurate?

Right now, we don't really have any good alternatives.
You know why? Probably because we've been populating our fucking squad with player's about whom one could frequently express sentiments regarding their inexpensive cost rather than their actual football quality. Ever think about that? Dele comes to mind and now this joker that is struggling for this illusive "form" by the week.
 
I mean the pattern of the game was always going to be Spurs going for rapid-fire counters whenever they could intercept long spells of Brighton possession given the managers involved.

Our front 3 in general felt on each other's wavelength for the first time in awhile. They knew the scouting report, make Dunk run backward and good things will happen.
I get it*...you had to reply with something... I'll just check back in with ya about this in a week's time.

But I will say that if you were a naive observer for any of the last few months your impression would be different. Folks get caught up in what they think they saw/know and can't get beyond it. Football regression is a terrible thing...eats up careers left and right...apparently

*I actually don't, personally. In practice and in theory I am familiar with folks doing it though. However, I make it a habit of going where the new data supports. When the preponderance of data doesn't support my previously held position I moderate...when moderation is no longer sufficient I change my position such that the date supports it rather than focusing only on the vanishingly small bit that I can crowbar into supporting my initial perspective. There's probably a name for stuff like this.

Until the 15th...it's Bournemouth, relegation fodder, so the chance at finding some supportive evidence is higher. Could be a good week for our boy.
 
I dunno man, he caused Brighton all kinds of problems, so much of what succeeded in an attacking sense came through him, and he was also chipping in defensively in a way Son never does.

the twilight zone GIF
 
This is a pile of shit of a reply...full of poorly thought out measures.

Struggling for form? LOL you've seen him shit for much longer than anything you could point to as good yet it's "form" that he's struggling for instead of it just being a player with less than you thought they had...that is, being wrong in your initial assessment.


That's right, if you are going to populate your squad with shit then let it be of the inexpensive and foreign variety. That way we can guarantee that Real Madrid will never come and take our beloved player away.

Is that the theory behind this nonsense?


Or...OR, we could aim to avoid having players with so little to offer clogging up our squad! That's a novel idea. Let me take a guess, you thought Poch was the problem...the Mou was the problem...and then Nuno and then Conte was the problem? Is that accurate?


You know why? Probably because we've been populating our fucking squad with player's about whom one could frequently express sentiments regarding their inexpensive cost rather than their actual football quality. Ever think about that? Dele comes to mind and now this joker that is struggling for this illusive "form" by the week.
I actually agree with a lot of your post, but you couldn't be more wrong about how I view this football club haha.

I am actually not Kulusevski's biggest fan, but I have to think that he's somewhere between the player who came in last season and the player we've seen the past few months. Given that we have so many areas of the team to improve, a player of his age available at his price doesn't seem like a big risk, he's worth buying in my opinion. I'm not suggesting we build an attack around him and I think we need better players. But again, we need a lot of other players too. We always score goals, we struggle with our defence and that's where I want to see our spending prioritised (as we are owned by a greedy cunt who lives on a yacht and won't stump up any of his billion dollar art collection to put into the club).

And no, I don't think the previous managers were the problem. I've posted a few times lately that I think the role of the manager is actually a bit over-rated, players are the big part of it and our recruitment has been shit and the squad has declined massively since peak Poch era. Hear what you are saying about cluttering up the squad with players who ain't good enough and I would like us to get in a quick attacker in the Mane/Salah mould too. But given all the improvements we need to make from Goalkeeper/2 centre backs/attacking midfielder/Son replacement etc. etc. Kulusevski is at an age and a price where it's worth pulling the trigger, in my view.
 
under the right circumstances he could be useful. And availability is the best ability as I'm sure you know.


A player that can't beat me with the ball nor run me doesn't create any problems for me. We have no intrinsic threat as none of our front three can take it to the house so to speak. They all need help.


As I would expect you to.


Think so? Seems the only folks dumb enough for that was the club where the crooked ex-Juve exec had taken his crooked ways. And he utilized them to spend stupid money on players that were 'worth' half that at the time. And fans of that previous club basically laid out a map to this current meh-ness.

I will take his market as 50M considering your point...who's buying him?

And again, my criticisms aren't new for this player. I said it at the time and during his 'productive time'.
you're a fucking moron though so we can all discard your shit opinion
 
4th post in 9 years and you type this..You must really hate this todd1882 todd1882 guy to have to log on to your alt account to type this.
I've seen so many of these alts from years ago now chiming in. Think about how big of a coward this type of person is...they've planed almost a decade ago that they are the type of person so devoid of character that at some point in the future they would like to anonymously attack another poster so they should create a multi just in case. Think about the depths of nothingness in that person.

You'd figure Admin Admin would immediately wipe this type of person from the board as they clearly shown their intentions to be an anti-social poster. Another for the ignore rolls.
 
Now that's a solid post...
but I have to think that he's somewhere between the player who came in last season and the player we've seen the past few months.
He is a competent footballer that will never be able to show his best ability because he is athletically incompatible with the PL. His every action will be 'hurried' because he will be scared unless he is in space.
we struggle with our defence and that's where I want to see our spending prioritised
We disagree here but that doesn't mean your point is without merit. I just believe there is a group of players on teh field that if we were to reinforce would improve both the defense and attack.
(as we are owned by a greedy cunt who lives on a yacht and won't stump up any of his billion dollar art collection to put into the club).
Yup
players are the big part of it
The biggest part of it but we saw today a team playing better than the sum of its parts...and it wasn't us.
Hear what you are saying about cluttering up the squad with players who ain't good enough and I would like us to get in a quick attacker in the Mane/Salah mould too.
It's a problem because your aforementioned greedy cunt will keep them here until the numbers balance out i.e. they will stay until the last year of their contracts. Keeping Kulu is buying Ben Davies and expecting him to be your LB starter. And I like Ben Davies and know he gives his all but he is limited athletically and always looked at his athletic max.
But given all the improvements we need to make from Goalkeeper/2 centre backs/attacking midfielder/Son replacement etc. etc. Kulusevski is at an age and a price where it's worth pulling the trigger, in my view.
There is more value to be had in the market. If you think Kulu will improve then I understand your persepctive. I have no faith that he will as this is what I saw at Juve and after analyzing his game this is what he is. So this calculus doesn't work for me and a big reason is his cost and he's foreign. Shouldn't populate your squad with foreigners not good enough to start and make a difference.

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There is more value to be had in the market. If you think Kulu will improve then I understand your persepctive. I have no faith that he will as this is what I saw at Juve and after analyzing his game this is what he is. So this calculus doesn't work for me and a big reason is his cost and he's foreign. Shouldn't populate your squad with foreigners not good enough to start and make a difference.

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I'm not disregarding the rest of your post, I just snipped this part because this is the crux of it, I think. If he is more the player we saw last season and can consitently contribute in that way, flaws and all, he's worth the money in my opinion. If he is more the player over the past couple of months, then it's a shit signing. I'm just coming down on the side that thinks he's "cheap" enough/young enough (in the absurd world of football transfers) that we can take the risk on him being the player from last season. Especially so with a new manager and more of a front foot style where we are playing the game higher up the pitch. I could be totally wrong, I don't know.

My preference is for us to keep Kane and get the next Mane/Salah either side of him. But I don't know if we have it in us as a club to recruit these players ahead of the smarter clubs out there. This is the number one issue with Spurs and the main reason why I'd like to see Levy gone from his role and new leadership, even if we keep the same owners (Levy can just keep his shares and get out the fucking way).
 
If he is more the player we saw last season and can consitently contribute in that way, flaws and all, he's worth the money in my opinion. If he is more the player over the past couple of months, then it's a shit signing.
I can assure you we've been seeing the same player all this time. The only difference is folks were so thirsty that they lost their minds over his goal contributions last season. His play was the same...which was also the same as we saw at Juve. If you watch back his goals and play from last season you will see.
I'm just coming down on the side that thinks he's "cheap" enough/young enough (in the absurd world of football transfers) that we can take the risk on him being the player from last season.
...and I'm certain he's not the player that folks think they saw last season but is in fact the player we are seeing now and thus only see downside in his move being made permanent. But my big gripe has always been to not RUSH into making this permanent. I knew that given time even those on this board would get to the point of asking "what's wrong with Kulu"? And here we are. I just need them and the club to recognize that he's not a great fit for the league.

And even if a team was to build a team around his 'creative ability' then they would be placing such a cap on their prospects that bottom half finishes or worse would be in their future. He just can't find the space and he is no longer outperforming his xA and has poor creative numbers (h/t Deuterz).

But we'll make this permanent for many reasons but there will be little from his football to support the move.
My preference is for us to keep Kane and get the next Mane/Salah either side of him. But I don't know if we have it in us as a club to recruit these players ahead of the smarter clubs out there.
I'll reserve my Kane thoughts for the Kane thread but will say that I don't like this approach toward team building. It's rarely successful and more frequently disruptive and counterproductive. It's better to move on from such players and bring players in on equal footing.
 
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