"small injuries" let's start with Mickey
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Player Destiny Udogie
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Mickey just suffered a break down after coming back from an injury. That is 100% the biggest issue we have at this club right now.
So did Romero. So did Son. So did Davies. So did Richarlison. So did Odobert. So did Udogie.
Ange is killing our players. Every club has injuries but the rate of recurrence under this manager is horrendous and can only be down to him.
Ange is making them break down when they return from injuries because he's asking them to train and play with intensity?
That's your theory?
I think that the combination of:
1. Playstyle focused on pressing extremely high and extremely aggressively for 90 minutes
2. Non-existent defensive structure that leaves huge spaces
3. Hectic fixture schedule
4. Overplaying certain players despite their being alternatives on the bench
5. Physically intense training sessions
6. Rushing players back from injury
All contribute to the mess we are in with injuries, yes. It's not just asking them to train and play with intensity. All managers demand that. Ange's methods take it to the extreme and his lack of experience at the top level shows with how incompetently he has used his squad. He has burned all his players out already.
It's been said of Ange that he wants training sessions to have the intensity of actual games, which I don't think is sustainable with the fixture schedule being what it is.
There’s no way they train at a high intensity while they play 3 games in a week. That’s not what’s happening just now. After a game they will have two recovery days then train normal on the third day after a game. While midweek games are on the training is tapered down. The ones that don’t play will train as normal.
Not a theory, pretty obvious I should think
Yeah it's not
Overrunning and a lack of rest will break down the muscles and cause injuries, this is common knowledge. The amount we sprint in games is high, but its not an issue if we rotate and train smartly. I don’t think we have rotated well enough (albeit later on injuries themselves have made it far harder to do so). Now the question of us overtraining is still up for debate, none of us are around the training ground so we can only guess but Ange’s previous record at Celtic for injuries and comments made about intensity in training suggest we aren’t being smart.
Unfortunately its not weird. What adaption phase? 20 months nearly in. Vdv,udogie etc are here since ange came in and are still breaking down
They dont get 2 days off after games. They did this week due to not playing till Sat. Its a rare occurance
That’s the fucking point I’m making mate.
Intense training and playing should only cause injuries at the start whilst their body adapts to the intensity. That’s literally how muscles work. It’s the reason why people lift heavier weights… you break the muscle and it repairs stronger.
The fact that they are still getting injuries and even worse getting injuries when they should be recovered from them, points to the fact that something deeper and more systematic going on.
Now, some of the recent ones have come from increased load from the schedule any number of injuries so we couldn’t rotate but that’s a different issue and has snowballed from the first systematic issue
my point is you can blame the manager.esp the rushing back of vdv and romero straight in. We had minimal games last year and got tons of injuries.
Manager isnt tailoring training for game schedules it seems
what makes you think Ange rushed them back?
He can’t clear them to play and they both returned after their initial prognosis anyway.
Why does it seem he’s not tailoring training for games? How can you possibly know that mate? You seen the training regimen
It looked a bad one at the time tbh
It’s been coming for weeks. I highlighted he’d get injured next at the end of November. It was so obvious.
"Ange rushed them back" is just an evidence free brickbat used to deny or obfuscate the effects of the catastrophic injury crisis we have suffered since VDV first went down and has got progressively worse.
It's weird because our results before that weren't great so there's no real need to maintain this bizarre fiction that our injuries shouldn't matter but there you go.
Football fans cope in all sorts of weird ways.
It’s social media and Skysports pundits shark jumping to get views.
Everything must have a dramatic reason to over react and you don’t even need logic or rational to justify it
Anyone who doesn’t get adequate rest or overtrains can damage muscles. You rip the muscle yes, but you can also overdo it and injure yourself. I understand you touched on this in your last paragraph, but the middle paragraph is making it to be a mystery, we aren’t getting enough rest.