You can blame the manager and the system but as individual you have to give a fuck and having a pride in keeping the ball out of your net and make sure the guy your playing against does not have an easy time. I see none of that in Udogie.
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Player Destiny Udogie
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It’s actually a horrible watch. If anyone watches it and tries to defend him then they are brain dead too. Nothing to do with it the manager. All on him.
oh hes shit, you dont need to tell me, i see that early doors. he doesnt have the natural instincts for the game, thats got fuck all to do with the clown whos manager. hes not a footballer!
ive watched udogie chase a winger back before and try and go round the outside of him rather than inside which would be goalside...i couldnt believe my eyes. another turd that your average idiot fan thinks is good for reasons unknown? shit footballer, we need rid ASAP.
i didnt even notice the clip you mentioned at the time, but he literally stops. i dont think his brain can stay switched on for longer than 2 seconds.
everything about him stinks. he doesnt pass when he should either, he doesnt have timing....he just doesnt have the brain for it.
I'd give him a bit more time, he might improve with better coaching. I feel this about a few of the younger guys, he's clearly regressed but I wouldn't write him off just yet.
It’s not coaching. He’s doing stuff you don’t see under 12s doing. I watch him and can’t believe what I’m seeing for that level. He can’t stop crosses either because he can’t be fucked. Always jogs out to the winger,can’t defend anything over his head from a straight ball or diagonal. Even worse when a cross is coming in from our right back area.
He does the opposite of what a defender should do. Some will defend him blaming the manager but if you are playing in the premier you must be anble to do the basics well at the very minimum. Our left back curse just won’t go away.
I said in the Romero thread responding to people getting on his back about losing markers from crosses. It’s going to happen, it happened yesterday, our full backs don’t even try to close down crosses. It’s hard as a centre back if you’re in line, half turned if there no pressure on the ball players can just time the movement and you get caught flat footed. The same has happened with passes over the top as well. No pressure on the ball cbs caught flat footed and square by a deeper run.
That’s why it’s stupidity to stay high with no pressure on the ball. It’s suicide football for centre backs. If there’s no pressure on the ball to stop crosses it’s so much easier for the opposition to make runs between centre backs and not get picked up properly. If there is pressure on the ball as a centre back you have more time to get touch tight. This is why I’m less critical of our centre backs because players are running from deeper and our defenders a starting from a standing jump when crosses are coming in. It’s so hard to defend.
The curious case of Destiny Udogie. He was originally bought by Conte to play as a wing back in his 3-4-1-2 (5-4-1 without the ball) system where the wing backs are asked to bomb up and down the wing (remember Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso). When Ange took over I thought Udogie wouldn't be a good fit because he is more defensive than offensive. As it turns out he seemed more than happy to bomb forward and like all our full backs when we inevitably lose the ball he's out of position and huffing and puffing to get back (remember Mitchell Thomas). Like with everything Ange has done at Spurs, in those first ten games I thought we had one hell of a player and maybe he is (Man City appear to fancy him) but for me, if you look at the tape, he is all over the place and needs some help on the defensive side. If I was Levy (we're both cunt but I am glad I am not), I would hire a manager and suggest to them the need to add Sean Dyce to their backroom staff. He would get these guys defending for their lives.
I liked big Mitchell Thomas
Me too but when he got caught up field his recovery runs back were a thing of beauty... the old cheeks would be puffing and he would look like some new born zebra trying to run before learning to stand... but yeah, I liked MT... just another left back in a long line of meh left backs...I liked big Mitchell Thomas
Thats where our wonderful coaches and manager comes in and coaches him!! The dier interview sums it all up
exactly. we know they have been massively undercoached for 2 years due to who the manager is. but this kid doesnt do the basics or have the natural instincts for the game. hes a dud, move on and cut losses before we get burnt.
I understand the coaching but his lack of awareness would require a coach to be next to him the whole game telling when to do something .
I know it sounds hard but I have been waiting for a long time to see him get his shit together and it simply isn't .
I posted ages ago about a ridiculous back pass angry got jumped on "young player new league" still waiting to see improvement although I do concede he may look better under a half decent coach
I'm with the CEO of a big insurance company this week to prep him for a series of key internal & external meetings. One of the first things he said to me after we met was that he has never hired people based on their skills...well, it's never been the No 1 criteria.
Partly cause by the time they're facing him for an interview, he already knows they're qualified for the gig on offer...the difference will be marginal between person X and person Y. But mainly, it's cause he'd rather hire people that are fundamentally good eggs. His rationale is that he could teach anybody how to sell insurance policies, but he can't do much if you're not dedicated, honest, loyal, sociable, good with time-keeping, taking initiatives etc.
That's where as a club we've got it so wrong for so long. We've signed good players, some very good ones even. But do they have the right mental attributes? Absolutely not. I think that applies to Udogie (and a fair few others). Nowhere near elite but still a decent player...however he's lazy, selfish, ill-disciplined and a bit dumb. You can get a top coach in and he'll help him improve his game, but how is he gonna turn the kid into a hard worker and a team player who hasn't got shit for brains? Not many managers in world football could accomplish that feat.
Maybe our recruitment geniuses should think about that when looking at potential signings. If they did, we wouldn't have had to endure the likes of Ndombele, Lo Celso, Richarlison and so many others.
nice post!
yep, weve signed the wrong personality profiles for a long time! ndombele being the big one! 64m spunked on that idiot and no one from the club vetted what he was like personally! disgraceful negligence at such a high level with serious money at stake.
this level of negligence can do a club serious fucking harm over time. you cant have these idiots getting these decisions wrong for too long before it destroys a club.
if someone walks about in sliders at a snail's pace do you think they are going to be hard working and willing to go into the trenches every week? 99.9% of the time im going to put big money on that being a big fat NO.
Given the youth of Udogie and signs last season I'd still give him a bit of time, but I agree with the gist and definitely on Ndombele, what a waste of space he was!