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Player Djed Spence

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Airfixx said:
Hmmmmm.... I to assume Porro & Spence at the same time would just get in each others way.....

I'm not convinced Porro is the answer as a genuine Wfwd (maybe he 'explodes' into being one next season; tough to predict)... What works right now is the false FB thing we have going on with Emerson..... A straight back 4 may wreck that.

There's a lot to like about Porro, but he (in his current form) leaves us playing 'square pegs'.
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Not really sure he played RWF against Leeds. It's def more 3 atb with the ball and him as a winger. Kulu was playing right side in the front line but just playing in more central areas.

Porro is a winger. Call it wing back or call it winger doesn't matter, he still defends the flank without the ball and attacks wide with it.

But no, I wouldn't necessarily play Spence in the Emerson role with Porro in front. I'd play Spence and Emerson or Spence and Kulu.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Not really sure he played RWF against Leeds. It's def more 3 atb with the ball and him as a winger. Kulu was playing right side in the front line but just playing in more central areas.
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Sure... I didn't suggest otherwise.

......But there is a tide of opinion willing to re-cast him as a winger or W/fwd rather than WB.

Richard Arlison said:
Porro is a winger. Call it wing back or call it winger doesn't matter, he still defends the flank without the ball and attacks wide with it.
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Soz, mate; I will never not make a distinction between winger, wide-fwd, WB or FB.

Until played and proven producitve enough as such, Porro is not a winger (see eg Lennon) or wide-fwd (see eg Salah).

(For clarity's sake; I think the "winger" role is all but dead.)

Richard Arlison said:
But no, I wouldn't necessarily play Spence in the Emerson role with Porro in front. I'd play Spence and Emerson or Spence and Kulu.
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^^^Combined with following:

"Porro moving forward means Spence can play both further up or as the RB if we play a 4."

.........I'm now confused...

You think Porro can only work how he's currently being played??

- No straight 343 or 352?
- A and never in a flat back 4? ...Even if we are committed to attacking FBs?
 
Airfixx said:
Sure... I didn't suggest otherwise.

......But there is a tide of opinion willing to re-cast him as a winger or W/fwd rather than WB.



Soz, mate; I will never not make a distinction between winger, wide-fwd, WB or FB.

Until played and proven producitve enough as such, Porro is not a winger (see eg Lennon) or wide-fwd (see eg Salah).

(For clarity's sake; I think the "winger" role is all but dead.)



^^^Combined with following:

"Porro moving forward means Spence can play both further up or as the RB if we play a 4."

.........I'm now confused...

You think Porro can only work how he's currently being played??

- No straight 343 or 352?
- A and never in a flat back 4? ...Even if we are committed to attacking FBs?
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From what I understand, Italians don't distinguish between a winger and a wing back. They operate on the flank and have responsibilities to cover the whole flank.

Porro is never doing a Bale and becoming a WF IMO. I like him as a player, especially going forwards but he's not like that. Will always be the box to box version of a wide player IMO.



"Porro moving forward means Spence can play both further up or as the RB if we play a 4."

More talking about squad places and minutes to earn in the team and not as much starting 11, if that makes sense. If we only play 4atb or only WB's Spence, Porro, Emerson is a log jam for minutes. If we are more flexible the Porro at least and maybe even Spence could play other roles to get minutes.

I do think Porro could learn to play in a 4 or straight wing back in a 3-4-3 / 3-5-2. In fact, Amorim's formation had him playing RB without the ball and RWB with the ball.
It's all about coaching and him getting used to the prem.

He can probably do the inverted FB thing but really think that would be better suited to Pape Sarr or even Romero.
 
If we bring in a coach who wants to keep a back 3 system next season, and baring in mind we need to do a lot of refreshing, I would consider keeping Emerson to use purely as the RCB, and have Spence and Porro as the two rotational RWB's. Then make decisions on all three. They are all young. Give a decent coach chance to work with them for a year, if Porro and Spence can develop the weaker sides to their game. Make a decision on all three next summer.

Need to get shot of Davies and Dier based on their non HG, age and lack of quality profiles. Tanganaga despite being HG isn't good enough.

I'd not be averse to hanging onto Lenglet for cheap fee, as in a more proactive football system he might have uses, but we need to bring in another LCB with better athletic defensive attributes and another LB who can also cover LWB.

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And we desperately need two new keepers.
 
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bus-conductor said:
If we bring in a coach who wants to keep a back 3 system next season, and baring in mind we need to do a lot of refreshing, I would consider keeping Emerson to use purely as the RCB, and have Spence and Porro as the two rotational RWB's. Then make decisions on all three. They are all young. Give a decent coach chance to work with them for a year, if Porro and Spence can develop the weaker sides to their game. Make a decision on all three next summer.

Need to get shot of Davies and Dier based on their non HG, age and lack of quality profiles. Tanganaga despite being HG isn't good enough.

I'd not be averse to hanging onto Lenglet for cheap fee, as in a more proactive football system he might have uses, but we need to bring in another LCB with better athletic defensive attributes and another LB who can also cover LWB.

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And we desperately need two new keepers.
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UEFA changed the rule around players trained at Welsh clubs last season, so Davies counts as HG now.

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Tottenham handed huge Champions League boost after rule change

Tottenham have been handed an administrative boost after UEFA changed their position on Welsh players who trained at clubs affiliated with the English league system - meaning defender Ben Davies will now count as 'homegrown' in Europe.
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spurs9 said:
UEFA changed the rule around players trained at Welsh clubs last season, so Davies counts as HG now.

www.standard.co.uk

Tottenham handed huge Champions League boost after rule change

Tottenham have been handed an administrative boost after UEFA changed their position on Welsh players who trained at clubs affiliated with the English league system - meaning defender Ben Davies will now count as 'homegrown' in Europe.
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He's still needs shifting based on the age and ability (lack thereof) profiles.
 
bus-conductor said:
If we bring in a coach who wants to keep a back 3 system next season, and baring in mind we need to do a lot of refreshing, I would consider keeping Emerson to use purely as the RCB, and have Spence and Porro as the two rotational RWB's. Then make decisions on all three. They are all young. Give a decent coach chance to work with them for a year, if Porro and Spence can develop the weaker sides to their game. Make a decision on all three next summer.

Need to get shot of Davies and Dier based on their non HG, age and lack of quality profiles. Tanganaga despite being HG isn't good enough.

I'd not be averse to hanging onto Lenglet for cheap fee, as in a more proactive football system he might have uses, but we need to bring in another LCB with better athletic defensive attributes and another LB who can also cover LWB.

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And we desperately need two new keepers.
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Agreed except GKs.

More than happy with big shovel hands for #2. Was very solid this year.

Let Raya go to UTD and find another big bastard in goal.
 
existenzrippchen said:
Judging from the highlights of his first few games he just isnt a right back but much more a winger. Bad positioning at the back and always seem to lose the opposition players he should be covering. His attacking runs are good and his passing seems to be good as well.

Will be interesting to see how many minutes he gets after the two other right backs are fit from injury.
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Hardly got any playing time after Rennes had their injured players back. Then Spence got injured and didn't make the squad for the last 6 or 7 games.

Still very raw in his playing style. He needs a full pre-season with the squad this summer.
 
KaneIsAble said:
Conte was a total twat, seemingly out to screw everything up the second last season finished. So Spence may well turn out to be decent, but tbh, top managers usually know who is or isn't good enough to bother giving a chance.

Despite everything, I feel Mourinho got it right (except Dier). The ones he refused to use never managed to prove him wrong.
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He did end up using gio and tanguy though?
 
MVP said:
They've had developmental playing time imo more than if they stayed with us. They play in the cups or the league and we lose then he gets shit for that too. It was the board that decided to replace him with his assistant so they are the ones who wrote off top four. I'm happy to be a club that gives young players a chance in the first 11 an tries to develop them but I'm pretty sure that means not making the CL for now and the board and most fans won't except that.Dippers seem to
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MVP said:
They've had developmental playing time imo more than if they stayed with us. They play in the cups or the league and we lose then he gets shit for that too. It was the board that decided to replace him with his assistant so they are the ones who wrote off top four. I'm happy to be a club that gives young players a chance in the first 11 an tries to develop them but I'm pretty sure that means not making the CL for now and the board and most fans won't except that.
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Dippers give young players a chance?
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
How would they know he wasn't given a chance long enough in a structured first eleven. Because Conte wanted to make a point to Levy. Thank god he's gone. Spence like all the others will now be assessed by a motivated attacking coach who wants to see out his four year contract.
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If he hasn't shown it in training then he won't be in the first eleven. There were reports of a huge chunk of our players being up for sale even before he took the job. I don't think he's going to have much say about who should be kept.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Nah, he can defend. Apparently pocketed Mbappe in France because he had him covered for pace and absolutely shut down Martinelli.

Was very decent defensively against us. Just a bit young and loses focus on positioning sometimes.

1v1 and for Pace, he's like Kyle Walker was at that age.

Porro moving forward means Spence can play both further up or as the RB if we play a 4.

Tbh RB/RCB/RWB/RW is looking OK.
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I said the other day that Porro should be played as a winger and not a defender...got a few X for it...though they were from the usual suspects 😄

The kid is brilliant going forward and we've only seen 20% of what he's got in his locker. He can run, pass, cross, shoot...score! He's also got the minerals and the devotion to go press the opposition high up the pitch but also track back.

On my depth chart I'm going with Royal & Spence as our RB/RWB options and Porro/Kulu (or someone new...and HG) as our RW/RF.
 
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