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I completely agree, that's why I'm saying we need the whole board & chairman to go, new owners, new blood whatever, we are desperate for some wholesale changes otherwise we can forget about any sustained or even fleeting success in the near future, God only knows the last 20 years pay testament to that
Brilliant observation about the state of our club.
Unfortunately some , just refuse to see or accept it, their vision has been clouded.
No ambition from these owners other than increasing their investment.
I think I may be building up to tonight as I really want to win a trophy. I do not care about Palace and whilst pissed we lost would have rested Udobie for tonight. Despite many posters in the match thread saying strongest team, I am getting the feeling that will not happen and the inevitable defeat will happen. Now that should provoke anti Levy feelings as his obsession with CL qualification over trophy winning is what I hate. If we put out a strong side and lose to MC then ok but to rest players for the top 4 trophy (we are not winning the PL) instead of going all out for a proper trophy is unforgivable.
I just do not see why a league defeat to the likes of Palace should provoke so many anti Levy feelings.
I’m now “ENIC not bothered, but probably time to go”, rather than “ENIC In”. But there’s no option for that.
And I’m not saying there’s nothing to see here. I’m saying I would have done everything I could to get Gallagher in as I think he would have made a huge difference to our midfield. Eze, I don’t rate at all. Neto has a terrible injury record.
So do two of the three, I’m in agreement with the club for not going for them, no matter the reason, but disappointed on one from three. As for the reason for each? May well be financial, I’ve no idea. None of us know.
I take at lot of your points and my response to Furball man is also relevant here. Up to 1991 we tended to win most of our cup finals. Since then we lose most. I know things have changed and most of that time ENIC have been owners but it is not underinvestment that lost the match on Sunday or the reason we lose cup finals when we frequently were mid table in the league when we won the cups in the past. MU won the F A Cup last season and yet were low down in the league and so why not us. Yes there is a problem with attitude amongst players both recent past and now, lack of leadership and panic under pressure. What or who you blame for that I do not know but expect many will lay all the blame on Levy.
*1 - I agree that it's not financial underinvestment. I actually said that it's underinvestment in all required areas. We as a Club/Company don't invest enough effort, passion, money or anything into the sports team in order for there to be a continuous winning mentality on the pitch. I agree that you cannot pin individual poor performances on Levy, but for me the underlying ethos in the way the football team is run leads to this lack of achievement as a whole.
*2 - Levy is the only constant, I really am now struggling to see how he isn't the biggest factor is our underachievement compared to like sized/funded teams.
Like I said, up until recently I had given him a pass because of "circumstances". I don't think that there are any circumstances over the past 3 years which have meant that we shouldn't be competing evenly across all disciplines within the company and football team with the likes of Scum and L'pool, yet we appear to be regressing.
The financial reasons being why not a single team on the planet made a bid for him as far as i can tell.
There is a reason for this and it was likely that he simply wasn't for sale.
Go cry more.QQ
To be fair you could make that statement about practically any footballer. Certainly there's some we just wouldn't sign on a free even if they paid their own wages, or we'd all play for Spurs.
But there's equally a sum of money with which we could buy and pay Messi or Neymar or Greasy Ron. We don't pay those sums because someone rationalizes that what we would have to pay is not worth what we would get.
We, and our peer rival clubs, all seem to have kicked the tires and reached the same conclusion - the cost of the release clause plus his wage demands was more than he was worth.
Now, that's most probably not the case regarding Spurs (as opposed to woolwich or Liverpool). But it's also possible that his agent quoted us an egregious wage demand because he didn't really want to come to Spurs.
And that's always the gray area in these things - a transfer takes 3 parties to agree. And it's possible he and his agent told us to fuck off via back channels which out off an official bid. Given how poorly we finished the season and having a thoroughly unproven manager and lack of success as a club, that's not extremely unlikely for someone who fancies himself getting a look in from Liverpool or City.
In any event, if it's possible we should sign him. If he hasnt already told us to fuck off, we should offer something nominally higher than the release clause in January as Palace know they'll almost certainly lose him for the release clause in the summer.
Not every player has lots of suitors. It means nothing.
But ok, let's entertain your point for a second. Forget Eze, who else did we bring in to improve the first team? Solanke. That was it.
Shambolic.
Our whole summer window we improved the striker position and that was it. Despite us clearly needed better wide forwards.
You can bend over backwards to make excuses for it, but facts are facts. We can all see in black and white how appalling our window was, despite some of you being in complete denial.
It's Levy's Spurs all over. We always do the absolute bare minimum. An ambitious club would have absolutely gone out and signed two wide attackers in the summer, no doubt at all. Not signing fucking Werner on the cheap.
Watch tonight as Werner stinks the place out and another chance of a trophy disappears. That is what Levy has done to the club. We constantly fall short on the pitch because we simply don't have the depth in the squad to compete.
It should have been a Neto or an Eze or someone of proper calibre in that position tonight, not Odobert or Werner.
In the same way declan rice wasn't for sale, until someone offered enough money.
Accumulation of events , the rinse and repeat over almost a quarter of a century , some people reacted as early as Jol getting the boot , Graham getting sacked close to a final , Jose the same … there’s a breaking point for everyone some see it sooner than others , that’s no to say the ones who haven’t yet are blind just maybe they have more patience .
I don’t really think either side is wrong but what is clear that the fan base patience is running out
No, let's not ignore the point i was making because its right. Plenty of teams were linked as having interest with Eze.
Sure we could have done more in the market this summer but let's not just make up random stuff just because you can squeeze it into a larger narrative.
For his benefit I hope Levy doesn't see this?
Sure if that's what you want to believe.
Except Decaln rice was for sale because he told them he wanted to go to Woolwich and they sold him.
Eze hasn't agitated for a move as far as I'm aware.
Two different issues.
Woah woah woah woooah sweet child o mine
You say “ If that’s what you want to believe “ & then “ As far as I’m aware “
Isn’t that the same thing , as only people at the respected clubs know all of the goings on
Sure. That's fair. As far as anyone is aware.
Sure. But where was he for Palaces other games this season? Where was he against Forest?
Consistency is key.
Ndomble put in some incredible performances for us and scored some world class goals. But he couldn't do it every week.