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You don't really come across like someone who is an ardent football fan, but more someone who just feels quite apathetic to the whole thing.

Is that a fair reflection?

I have been following Spurs for 40 years - went regularly back in my early teens and then in my 20's - I never miss a game and I watch maybe 3-4 games a week. I love the game for the 90 minutes it is being played -

The truth is, the game is dead - it is a cash cow for the orgs that run it and some of the owners.

Everything else that surrounds it, the media, the betting, the merch - it's all just designed to take money and increase the wealth of those who run it. The fake drama Sky or whoever injects is all to keep eyeballs on the TV, news, clicks, bets rolling in to make money off ad revenue and whatever else they can squeeze out of us.

TV rights internationally now exceed those domestically
You have Sky TV who own a betting company that creates news stories that directly link to the bets they put out there
You have players earning obscene amounts of money that have pushed the prices up for everyone
The World Cup is a soulless event that gets awarded to the highest bidder who wants to whitewash their global appearance

I mean, it is an industry that if you want to be at the top of consistently, you have to accept that all of the above is happening and designed not for the fans, but for a very select few individuals.

I am very apathetic to the whole thing and cannot muster outrage at any particular entity when they are all in it for their own interests.
 
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Its not odd they are focusing now.

After 25 years the jig is up. They start to look pretty moronic if they keep blaming the manager when we've had some of the best managers in the premier league and not won anything. Many have been successful after spurs in one way or another too.

The jig was up last year and the year before and the year before.....

Journos write articles based on what their very sophisticated algorithms tell them is trending.
 
I have noticed that those defending Levy and ENIC often display similar traits to those who defend political leaders for terrible policy.

It's like party loyalty.

I think that is why passionate supporters of THFC will attempt to dig out those who attempt to promote or defend a failed ideology after 24 years of dismal under achievement.

The majority of football club supporters do not care about finanacial matters.

They want a winning team they can be proud of.

Says the guy that defends Galloway?

Ok mate.
 
I have been following Spurs for 40 years - went regularly back in my early teens and then in my 20's - I never miss a game and I watch maybe 3-4 games a week. I love the game for the 90 minutes it is being played -

The truth is, the game is dead - it is a cash cow for the orgs that run it and some of the owners.

Everything else that surrounds it, the media, the betting, the merch - it's all just designed to take money and increase the wealth of those who run it. The fake drama Sky or whoever injects is all to keep eyeballs on the TV, news, clicks, bets rolling in to make money off ad revenue and whatever else they can squeeze out of us.

TV rights internationally now exceed those globally
You have Sky TV who own a betting company creates news stories that directly link to the bets they put out there
You have players earning obscene amounts of money that have pushed the prices up for everyone
The World Cup is a soulless event that gets awarded to the highest bidder who wants to whitewash their global appearance

I mean, it is an industry that if you want to be at the top of consistently, you have to accept that all of the above is happening and designed not for the fans, but for a very select few individuals.

I am very apathetic to the whole thing and cannot muster outrage at any particular entity when they are all in it for their own interests.
Well said and I completely agree.

I'll always love Spurs and support them, but top level football is soulless. I get more enjoyment going to see Bristol Rovers.
 
Well said and I completely agree.

I'll always love Spurs and support them, but top level football is soulless. I get more enjoyment going to see Bristol Rovers.

Yeah man, like - I'm on here all the time too - as I have been on Spurs forums for as long as they have been around - its the only social media I really use because I don't feel like my experience is being monetised.

The idea that in a multi-billion pound industry the top dogs are sitting down and thinking about how to best serve the fans is just burying your head in the sand. It's sad, but it's just the state of the entire world.
 
Any thoughts on his take MemphisWill MemphisWill , I think you mentioned in the past the misunderstanding that we lack the cash to invest much more on players.

Are we missing something here?
Only a couple of thoughts, because I really hate getting cast as a defender of ENIC/Levy when, again, I'd be happy to see regime change - I just find some of the complaints to miss the mark and/or be exaggerated.

The genesis of this is this tweet:


View: https://x.com/KieranMaguire/status/1884129673422229992?t=qLj5B2_ELfTH4zdbheqc9Q&s=19

Which when you put it on that little bar graph looks astounding. But there's a disconnect, because that visualization does not capture the scale of time. That's £105M profit over 16 years. That's equates to £6.5M/yr.

Obviously, it's not strictly spread evenly across the 16 years and we've been much more profitable in recent years. But its also not what it seems to many supporters from that basic graph - that we have massive amounts of capital available for annual spending.

Our wage bill at 42% is a very, very low ratio. As was mentioned, however, that's low even for us and just last year our wage bill was higher than woolwich. That aberrantly low ratio is a product of turning over the average age of the squad. I don't think it's necessarily bad - spending money just to spend it is not smart, so we shouldn't just raise salaries to do it. But it does provide us room to recruit players at higher wages.

How high? I don't know. Our 42% wage bill is roughly £117M/yr. Increasing that to 60%, where I think we need to be to realistically challenge Liverpool, would be £167M. That's a £50M increase, or around 6 Romeros - we'd definitely be competing with that sort of talent infusion. If we got the recruiting right which we rarely do and could easily end up with a load of Ndombeles and Sanchezes. And, if we immediately ratcheted up to 60% how would we grant increases to VDV, Sarr, Bergvall, Gray, Spence, Porro etc. To keep them?

Reality is we expect those players, soon, to be on wages more comparable to Romero (£8.6M/yr, £165K/wk). So we're really looking at maybe having flexible wage room for ±3 more Romero like signings


Nothing was addressed in the video about the capitalization and liquidity of the ownership groups. I maintain our biggest weakness comparatively is our ownership group being much less capitalized/liquid. Too much of Lewis' wealth is the paper value of Spurs, which cannot be leveraged to inject money into the club unless he can find a buyer for some of the equity.


But, it does seem rational to use the 16 year build up of profits for additional capital outlay in additional spending to buy 3 Romero-like players on salaries which push the wage bill ratio to 51% (£143M/yr) - on top of a standard sustainable net spend and salary replacement for players like Davies, Richarlison, Werner, etc. We need a big summer, and have the ability right now to do it. We need to make the investment now, because our big PSR surplus is going to start dwindling because of bad FYs to be filed in the coming years.
 
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As was mentioned, however, that's low even for us and just last year it was higher than woolwich.
False


Spurs
2024: 42%
2023: 46%
2022: 47%
2021: 57% (Covid impact)
2020: 46%

Woolwich
2024: 53%
2023: 51%
2022: 58%
2021: 75% (Covid impact)
2020: 69%

Facts are important.
 

This has been going on for many years, it has just become painfully obvious this season because of all the injuries and the poor manager. It's been obvious for us fans how the squad is getting downgraded year after year. That the people actually in charge have let it go this far is almost unbelievable. Levy doesn't care about winning and knows very little about football, but I'm pretty sure he wants the club to be in good company to maximise revenue. Compare this squad to prime Poch. So much bad scouting and wasted money. Have we made any actually great signings the last few years? Van de Ven? And he's injured half the time.
 
Only a couple of thoughts, because I really hate getting cast as a defender of ENIC/Levy when, again, I'd be happy to see regime change - I just find some of the complaints to miss the mark and/or be exaggerated.

The genesis of this is this tweet:


View: https://x.com/KieranMaguire/status/1884129673422229992?t=qLj5B2_ELfTH4zdbheqc9Q&s=19

Which when you put it on that little bar graph looks astounding. But there's a disconnect, because that visualization does not capture the scale of time. That's £105M profit over 16 years. That's equates to £6.5M/yr.

Obviously, it's not strictly spread evenly across the 16 years and we've been much more profitable in recent years. But its also not what it seems to many supporters from that basic graph - that we have massive amounts of capital available for annual spending.

Our wage bill at 42% is a very, very low ratio. As was mentioned, however, that's low even for us and just last year it was higher than woolwich. That aberrantly low ratio is a product of turning over the average age of the squad. I don't think it's necessarily bad - spending money just to spend it is not smart, so we shouldn't just raise salaries to do it. But it does provide us room to recruit players at higher wages.

How high? I don't know. Our 42% wage bill is roughly £117M/yr. Increasing that to 60%, where I think we need to be to realistically challenge Liverpool, would be £167M. That's a £50M increase, or around 6 Romeros - we'd definitely be competing with that sort of talent infusion. If we got the recruiting right which we rarely do and could easily end up with a load of Ndombeles and Sanchezes. And, if we immediately ratcheted up to 60% how would we grant increases to VDV, Sarr, Bergvall, Gray, Spence, Porro etc. To keep them?

Reality is we expect those players, soon, to be on wages more comparable to Romero (£8.6M/yr, £165K/wk). So we're really looking at maybe having flexible wage room for ±3 more Romero like signings


Nothing was addressed in the video about the capitalization and liquidity of the ownership groups. I maintain our biggest weakness comparatively is our ownership group being much less capitalized/liquid. Too much of Lewis' wealth is the paper value of Spurs, which cannot be leveraged to inject money into the club unless he can find a buyer for some of the equity.


But, it does seem rational to use the 16 year build up of profits for additional capital outlay in additional spending to buy 3 Romero-like players on salaries which push the wage bill ratio to 51% (£143M/yr) - on top of a standard sustainable net spend and salary replacement for players like Davies, Richarlison, Werner, etc. We need a big summer, and have the ability right now to do it. We need to make the investment now, because our big PSR surplus is going to start dwindling because of bad FYs to be filed in the coming years.

3 more Romero / Son level paid players is massive if 2 of them are hits and 1 a miss

It is Mbeumo, Cherki and a wage thief.

Also. Like for like wage sub for Werner

So assume 3 top players and a wage thief

That is MASSIVE
 
False


Spurs
2024: 42%
2023: 46%
2022: 47%
2021: 57% (Covid impact)
2020: 46%

Woolwich
2024: 53%
2023: 51%
2022: 58%
2021: 75% (Covid impact)
2020: 69%

Facts are important.
I'm really not doing this with you today.

The comment in the video I was responding to was directly that our wage bill was higher than woolwich last year. Not that our ratio was higher.

Wages are not pegged to turnover, it's a useful measure, but to microscopically analyze it in any given year is nonsense.

To wit - woolwich's revenue has increased significantly the last couple years thanks to new terms on their kit deal and CL qualification. Our revenue growth is going to begin receding, thanks to being locked into an aging kit sponsorship and the lack of CL revenue.

So if neither club increased wages a single £1, our ratio would begin to catch up and potentially overtake their ratio. Would it mean we were catching up in spending? Not at all.

The point made (not my point, mind you) was that our wage bill in pure £s was higher than woolwich's. That's true.

Good day.
 
Yeah really, I accept it is read by some as a defence but it is also read by others as not - so unless you are claiming to hold the rule for what constitutes what in that regard, its just your opinion of what i am saying and how much it resonates with what you feel is true.
Tell us what you don't like about ENIC and Levy then.

I read your post about the swamp football has become which was the best post from you I've ever read.

Talk about the miser.

What is he getting wrong and why?
 
I think it's important that Daniel doesn't beat himself up too much. Everyone knows how great a job he did bringing the new stadium in, and January is a bad time to purchase players - everyone knows that - so if we're relegated it's really not his fault.

It's never his fault.

Bless his bald head, devoid of any responsibility whatsoever. I hope he's got enough paper bills within reach to wipe away his tears.

It really would be the end of us if he payed over the odds to bring in a few extra players, and TO WHAT END I say, when everyone knows that everyone will be back from injury in a few days and we won't have place for any more players in our bloated squad, overflowing with talent.

It would be difficult to improve on this squad, so really Levy is doing us a favor, right? He needs to keep our coffers full so that we have the funds to spend lavishly in the summer, and in rewarding him a new bonus for his steady hand guiding our club to sobering new heights of fiscal responsibility.
 
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Have we made any actually great signings the last few years? Van de Ven? And he's injured half the time.
He's injured half the time because he playing for a fucking psycho hack.

We've signed plenty of decent players in the past few years, we've actually been doing much better than we were under Poch.

Poch's success was built on training up mostly players who were here when he got here. Most of the players we bought, certainly after he was given the manager title, were shit.

Romero, Maddison, Kulusevski, Sarr, Betancur, Udogie, Spence, Vicario have all looked very good - hard to judge professional players being coached by an amateur.
 
I think it's important that Daniel doesn't beat himself up too much. Everyone knows how great a job he did bringing the new stadium in, and January is a bad time to purchase players - everyone knows that - so if we're relegated it's really not his fault.

It's never his fault.

Bless his bald head, devoid of any responsibility whatsoever. I hope he's got enough paper bills within reach to wipe away his tears.

It really would be the end of us if he payed over the odds to bring in a few extra players, and TO WHAT END I say, when everyone knows that everyone will be back from injury in a few days and we won't have place for any be players in our bloated squad, overflowing with talent.

It would be difficult to improve on this squad, so really Levy is doing us a favor, right? He needs to keep our coffers full so that we have the funds to spend lavishly in the summer, and in rewarding him a new bonus for his steady hand guiding our club to sobering new heights of fiscal responsibility.

Don’t forget the stadium. Never forget the stadium.

Think of the stadium always and forever.
 
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