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Big talk of Savinho and Eze, does this mean that the huge investment has finally pulled through?




*grabs coat and walks out

Schitts Creek Goodbye GIF by CBC
 
Kane you believe it said:
Online engagement does have consequences though.

Fans and journalists look at football forums.

It's spreading a message that would otherwise remain buried.
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I agree that’s the case. But I’m not sure it’s doing what you’d want it to, or have the effect you think it might. I just don’t see anywhere that online fans are taken even close to seriously.

Almost every time I hear a journo talk about online fans and forums, it’s not complimentary. Yes, it’s being discussed, but generally along the lines of online being the depressive lunatic fringe and it all being more positive in real life.

Latest example was this week on a podcast about Man Utd for The Athletic. Guy was saying the mood online is grim, but he knows that it’ll be completely different first game of the season.

It’ll be the same here for us.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Unlike you guys who riot when told you will have to work a twenty hour week and can only take 3 hours for lunch everyday .
The British are notoriously apathetic as a nation the French almost the polar opposite . The truth is I actually admire the way the French do not allow their hard fought for rights to be easily eroded.
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True!

English aren't a free people any more. I have some limited hope that if/when Reform get in, they may move us a bit back in the free people direction.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Right wing politicians and freedoms not known to be bedfellows
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Don't want to de-rail the thread, but I could say the same thing about left-wing politicians, and freedom of speech, which (albeit inevitably limited) is foundational, has been under attack from the left (part of the reason why the wheels are falling over their establishment bandwagon, though they seemingly can't see it - nothing learned from Brexit) and is being defended by the right.
 
manmountainbutters said:
Don't want to de-rail the thread, but I could say the same thing about left-wing politicians, and freedom of speech, which (albeit inevitably limited) is foundational, has been under attack from the left (part of the reason why the wheels are falling over their establishment bandwagon, though they seemingly can't see it - nothing learned from Brexit) and is being defended by the right.
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Spend a lot of time on Facebook do you?
 
manmountainbutters said:
Don't want to de-rail the thread, but I could say the same thing about left-wing politicians, and freedom of speech, which (albeit inevitably limited) is foundational, has been under attack from the left (part of the reason why the wheels are falling over their establishment bandwagon, though they seemingly can't see it - nothing learned from Brexit) and is being defended by the right.
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I won’t respond as there is a thread for this I now choose to avoid . I have not been red carded yet and don’t want to start now, also I might drag you down with me .
 
Honestly, it's the lazy, apathetic fans like this that ruin our cause.

We need you in real life, we need you on Saturday.

Posting on a forum no one in any power at club looks at does absolutely nothing to rid us of ENIC or Levy.

You say it's because in the scheme of things it's not that important to you, which is absolutely fine. But then why talk so vociferously and look down on those that do attend, like the poster calling for arms.

All I see is you mocking and antagonising a person that said he will be there on Saturday, doing much more than most, ever will or have.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
 
Quite polarised here.

I'm just trying to understand the coordinates, hence a fact-finding question (and please forgive ignorance).

On the board we have Daniel Levy, Peter Charrington, and three others (Venkatesham, Collecott, and Turner). Levy has 'significant control' with 25.9% of the shares in the club, while Charrington also has 'significant control' representing the 60.7% of the shares owned by the Joe Lewis Family Trust. I don't know who is supposed to represent the remaining 13.4% of smaller shareholders (Turner as an 'independent' director?) , but I guess that's immaterial given the sway of the JLF Trust.

Genuine question here. Levy may well be important at some level in decision-making, given his involvement over the years but isn't he always constrained by the 60.7% vote of the majority shareholder?
 
Play Up Spurs!!!! said:
Genuine question here. Levy may well be important at some level in decision-making, given his involvement over the years but isn't he always constrained by the 60.7% vote of the majority shareholder?
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Well, Levy is the decision-maker because he is the chief executive of the club, a role which he holds at the pleasure of the board. He is also a member of the board, but his day-to-day decision making at the club comes via his executive role, not his board role.

The board could sack him, but it has long been the understanding that he is enmeshed with Lewis' business empire and has his personal faith in a way that makes that a functional impossibility.

Does the movement of Lewis' assets into trust change that? Who knows!?
 
FightingIllini said:
Well, Levy is the decision-maker because he is the chief executive of the club, a role which he holds at the pleasure of the board. He is also a member of the board, but his day-to-day decision making at the club comes via his executive role, not his board role.

The board could sack him, but it has long been the understanding that he is enmeshed with Lewis' business empire and has his personal faith in a way that makes that a functional impossibility.

Does the movement of Lewis' assets into trust change that? Who knows!?
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Thanks. This is informative for me.

So, wouldn't 'big' decisions at a board level include policy with significant financial implications? I'm thinking, let's say, a wage structure for the first-team squad, or a level over which a wages/turnover ratio is not allowed to rise?

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that, on the big decisions concerning the financial issues, the JLF Trust "vote", or better "power", is everything here. Might this be a problem constraining Levy's range of action at the level of football?
 
Play Up Spurs!!!! said:
Thanks. This is informative for me.

So, wouldn't 'big' decisions at a board level include policy with significant financial implications? I'm thinking, let's say, a wage structure for the first-team squad, or a level over which a wages/turnover ratio is not allowed to rise?

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that, on the big decisions concerning the financial issues, the JLF Trust "vote", or better "power", is everything here. Might this be a problem constraining Levy's range of action at the level of football?
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Who knows - it’s a good question and more than possible. They could be constraining budgets, but the cost prediction is only current issue. We don’t operate well even with that cost envelope: operationally we are a mess, and financially. The former is definitely on Levy
 
James Cook said:
Honestly, it's the lazy, apathetic fans like this that ruin our cause.

We need you in real life, we need you on Saturday.

Posting on a forum no one in any power at club looks at does absolutely nothing to rid us of ENIC or Levy.

You say it's because in the scheme of things it's not that important to you, which is absolutely fine. But then why talk so vociferously and look down on those that do attend, like the poster calling for arms.

All I see is you mocking and antagonising a person that said he will be there on Saturday, doing much more than most, ever will or have.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
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LOL evil???

Jesus fucking wept
 
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