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There is zero evidence that Spence is better offensively than anyone at the club.
In fact in the one match he played with Kulu, he looked way out of his depth and his positioning was awful.

There's a reason why Middlesbrough didn't want him and why no other team made an offer for him and why we are looking to buy another RWB.

When you're 5th choice RWB at a club that only has two RWBs you know it's not politics, it's because you're not good enough.

Maybe he will become good enough to start but he's way off that at the moment.

Loan him out in January and see how he goes.
Which game was that?
In his 10 minutes vs Forrest in the league, he looked rapid and good defensively.
 
Yeah that's an interesting one. Whereas he made it clear from the start that he wanted Richy, not so for Bissouma. Which is maybe why we're still linked with midfielders like Rabiot and Mckennie.
Conte stated publicly that Bissouma was struggling with his tactics in training
Which game was that?
In his 10 minutes vs Forrest in the league, he looked rapid and good defensively.
The point is; Conte didn't want him for the team.
 
Which game was that?
In his 10 minutes vs Forrest in the league, he looked rapid and good defensively.
In his 3 appearance's he's made zero tackles, zero blocks, zero.....I tell you what, I'll give you the link and you can see for yourself.


There is absolutely no evidence he's good defensively at PL level and even less that he's good attacking wise either.
Quite the contrary in fact ;

 
In his 3 appearance's he's made zero tackles, zero blocks, zero.....I tell you what, I'll give you the link and you can see for yourself.


There is absolutely no evidence he's good defensively at PL level and even less that he's good attacking wise either.
Quite the contrary in fact ;

Since you're all about the stats and evidence, care to share what match time he actually entered the field in those 3 appearances?

Answer: 91st min, 93rd min and 89th min.

When he came on against Forest in the cup (65th min), he immediately when on a promising attack, more than both WBs did combined up to that point, and drew a booking from Forest.

The ticker on my football app (which is usually quite sterile) is actually quite complimentary about him

73rd min: "Spence has been quite bright since his introduction"
80th min: "Spence, returning to his former ground, nearly gets Tottenham back in the game"

Which is how I remember it too.
 
This is the ENIC/Levy thread. Do not understand what Spence has to do with it. Does anyone think anyone from ENIC said buy Spence? Does anyone think Levy went and watched Spence and said he is good, buy him?
The most likely scenario is that the coaching staff watched him and raved about him. Paratici and Conte discussed it and gave the go ahead. Levy would have been involved but I would be surprised if he had strong views either way. I presume the same thing happened with Rodon where many wanted him to be picked.
The main push to play Spence is not that he is good but the other players in that position are bad. This really should be on Conte's thread.
 
Since you're all about the stats and evidence, care to share what match time he actually entered the field in those 3 appearances?

Answer: 91st min, 93rd min and 89th min.

When he came on against Forest in the cup (65th min), he immediately when on a promising attack, more than both WBs did combined up to that point, and drew a booking from Forest.

The ticker on my football app (which is usually quite sterile) is actually quite complimentary about him

73rd min: "Spence has been quite bright since his introduction"
80th min: "Spence, returning to his former ground, nearly gets Tottenham back in the game"

Which is how I remember it too.
Thanks for proving my point.

He has shown nothing to show he's ready to start in the PL.

Playing against a championship level team for 25 minutes, in a game where we lost 2 nil, doesn't prove anything either .
 
This is the ENIC/Levy thread. Do not understand what Spence has to do with it. Does anyone think anyone from ENIC said buy Spence? Does anyone think Levy went and watched Spence and said he is good, buy him?
The most likely scenario is that the coaching staff watched him and raved about him. Paratici and Conte discussed it and gave the go ahead. Levy would have been involved but I would be surprised if he had strong views either way. I presume the same thing happened with Rodon where many wanted him to be picked.
The main push to play Spence is not that he is good but the other players in that position are bad. This really should be on Conte's thread.
Nailed it in every sense.

People do love a conspiracy though.
 
And that is exactly my point.

He has shown nothing to show he's ready to start in the PL.

Playing against a championship level team for 25 minutes, in a game where we lost 2 nil, doesn't prove anything either .
No, your point was "zero tackles, zero blocks" in probably less than 10 mins total across 3 games and one of them was a comfortable win for us.

*MY* point was that actually if you give him an actual chance, he is very promising. I've also seen him in the friendlies at the training ground. He's always played well.

Playing against a championship level team for 25 minutes, in a game where we lost 2 nil, doesn't prove anything either .
You mean the team that outplayed us and beat us comfortably?
 
This is the ENIC/Levy thread. Do not understand what Spence has to do with it. Does anyone think anyone from ENIC said buy Spence? Does anyone think Levy went and watched Spence and said he is good, buy him?
The most likely scenario is that the coaching staff watched him and raved about him. Paratici and Conte discussed it and gave the go ahead. Levy would have been involved but I would be surprised if he had strong views either way. I presume the same thing happened with Rodon where many wanted him to be picked.
The main push to play Spence is not that he is good but the other players in that position are bad. This really should be on Conte's thread.
Spence was bought directly by Levy against Conte's wishes., because that's the direction Levy is taking the club. Spence is absolutely central to the debate around the ownership of our club, regardless whether you thought it was a good move or a bad one

The fact Conte refuses to give Spence any reasonably game time despite circumstances justifying it, is central to the debate on the relationship between Conte and Levy
 
Spence was bought directly by Levy against Conte's wishes., because that's the direction Levy is taking the club. Spence is absolutely central to the debate around the ownership of our club, regardless whether you thought it was a good move or a bad one

The fact Conte refuses to give Spence any reasonably game time despite circumstances justifying it, is central to the debate on the relationship between Conte and Levy
I have seen no evidence that Levy was involved. Conte said that Spence was a club purchase that he approved( might have been a different word but whilst not wanting him, he did not disapprove) Do you really believe that Levy scouts other players and overrides Paratici & Conte to buy a player. He was bought as one for the future as was Sarr. Whilst Sarr went on loan, Spence was kept with the main squad.
 
Levy crashes the train to keep the overall wage bill low.

When a player like Carrick, Berbatov, Modric or Bale emerged from the smeg, and stepped up a level while playing with a cock on his chest, Levy and ENIC never really put up much of a fight, in terms of making vastly improved wage offers to the aforementioned quartet, in the hope that they would stay at Spurs and Spurs could build on their quality. Levy realised that if he improved the terms for one player he may be expected to pay others more too.

Levy always opted to avoid increasing the overall wage bill, sell Tottenham's top performing players when they reached this tipping point, and re-invest the received ransom from the buying club into another spread bet of players, from European or English clubs of lower stature than Spurs, who were as easy for Levy and ENIC to exploit, as Spurs were from the perspective of a Manchester United or a Real Madrid.

Levy loved these hostage situations, regarding star players, and would rather sack a manager who objected to his best players being sold from under him, regardless of their achievements, to achieve the desired outcome of an overall low wage bill, low supporter expectation and a general acceptance that Spurs should 'know their place'.

Levy crashed Poch's train when he gave Lloris, Kane, Son and Dele huge pay rises, that were disproportionate to their team mates' remuneration, to protect his investment and maybe sell them at a later date.

The morale of the rest of the under payed players, such as; Toby, Jan, Rose, Eriksen, Dembele and Wanyama collapsed as they lost interest, left the club, ran down their contracts or a combination of all these things.

To remove ENIC it will require the skill and ruthlessness that Levy has demonstrated for over 20 years.

I can't see it ever happening now.

That ship sailed when they knocked down WHL.

ENIC are here until ENIC don't want to be here.
sorry, so you seem to berate Levy for not paying Carrick, Berba, Modric and Bale more to keep them around, but then go on and say when this was done for Lloris, Kane, Son and Dele it ruined the morale of the rest of the team.

What should he have done?

At the time neither Carrick, Berba, Modric or Bale were signing an improved contract to keep them about, they had their eye on bugger things so we had to dig deep and get the best deal we could, and reinvest.

Only now are we able to compete with the top six on keeping our best players, and even then it's not guaranteed, either to keep them around, or prove to be a wise investment (see Le Celso, and Tanguy).

I have no idea what the answer is, the Brentford game was awful, i'm not sure if Conte is happy, if Poch is waiting in the wings so giving Levy a safety blanket. Part of my thinks Patrici is now in charge of transfers, so if he has the budget why is all this falling at the feet of Levy.

Do I want a oligarch, sheik, or an American owner coming in with all that BS...? No not really. Do I want this tight ENIC tenure to end, sometimes yes. I'm probably too trusting, but working in sports marketing, advertising and branding, a lot of what they're doing from a commercial POV makes sense and will reward THFC. I do have a sinking feeling Conte will be off in the summer and the merry-go-round will start again, along with Son, Kane and Lloris leaving.
 
No, your point was "zero tackles, zero blocks" in probably less than 10 mins total across 3 games and one of them was a comfortable win for us.

*MY* point was that actually if you give him an actual chance, he is very promising. I've also seen him in the friendlies at the training ground. He's always played well.


You mean the team that outplayed us and beat us comfortably?
Wrong again.

My previous posts all said the same thing.

Because it makes zero sense for a manager not to play, what he considers, his best eleven.

In the brief appearances Spence has had he has shown nothing to warrant his promotion to the first team.

You're assumption is based on no evidence whatsoever....... unless you are part of the coaching staff.

And yes the team that outplayed our team and beat us comfortably was still a championship level team, or don't you look at the tables ?

Our team that had Spence in for nearly half an hour, who did nothing to warrant a first team spot.
 
Spence was bought directly by Levy against Conte's wishes.
Wrong.

I'll post this again;


Spence is an investment of the club,” Conte said. “The club wanted to do it. I said okay, this player is young but he showed he can become a good, important player for us.

Paratici scouted him, the club asked Conte "Shall we sign him ?"

Conte said "OK"

How people can interpret that as Spence being signed against Conte's wishes I've no idea.
 
Not knowing what the council would allow is not great planning surely
Eh ?

Of course they knew what the council would allow.

Whatever else you might think of Levy and co, they're not idiots.

Stadium with double capacity, more advertising space, and able to be used for extra events (even if they're limited) means we are least double, and probably treble our revenue compared to old WHL.

It's a no brainer.
 
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