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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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Furball man said:
I don’t think Santini was a stooge , just a very poor coach , he’s done nowt since 2006

Speaking in 2005, Santini said he quit partly because he felt agreements with the club were broken, but he admitted he "dug his own grave" by agreeing to join the club before the end of Euro 2004
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The only certainty is that ENIC sold more season tickets off the back of appointing Santini than they ever would have, at that time, had they appointed Jol and Arnesen as the head coach / d.o.f combo they became a few months later once the season ticket renewals were over the line.

We'd had the Hoddle press conference a couple of years before where he spoke about 'Rivaldo's letter', to sex up a typical ENIC, bargain basement, free transfer, make do and mend, summer transfer window, that we have become accustomed to over the years, and now routinely accept like battered housewives.

Hoddle was rewarded with the sack and a non disclosure pay off for his troubles. This again became the normal service Spurs supporters could expect while Chelsea, under Abramovich, went from strength to strength.

It's time for the supporters to unlock the cabinet, get the gun out of the cupboard, and put it to Levy's head.

It's now or never.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Well if it wasn’t part of his strategy and he stumbled into despite his best efforts to do something else what would you call it
I’d say he was lucky
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I'd say that once manager leaves, it's the CEOs job to try and recruit the best man possible for the job.

It might not have been his plan for managers to leave/get sacked, but it absolutely was his plan to sign a manager who he thought would be better.

So the signing of Redknapp and Poch was not "luck".
 
stevee said:
Agree with that but which team has ?

Even pre Enic we never had that.

Utd lucked out with the 92 lot.
The oil clubs hoovered up the best young talent from around the world, so that doesn't count.

Apart from those, I can't think of a club that produced top players at the same time
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Blimey we agree on something mate , I’m not blaming ENIC this goes back to when I started supporting us in 67.
look at Woolwich under Graham , West Ham have done it several times , Leeds have done it . Now admittedly we knicked a few of Spammers and Leeds , then there is Southampton .


We have never got it right in 50 years , I’m at a loss as to why
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
This is not anti ENIC , our academy has produced the occasional gem 4 by my count last 50 years. We have never had 3-4-5 top internationals all come through together, it’s strange
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Didn’t think it was anti ENIC. My post was probably more so than yours. I’ll always think the most important job at a club, after the Manager, is the Manager of the Academy, so Levy should be kicking mountains down to get the right guy. It should be someone of the highest quality. But no club seems to do it, so there must be a flaw in my plan I’ve not considered.
 
WindRepairr said:
It doesn't feel like last chance to me

They can continue screwing things up for 20 more years and they'll still be in charge

Fans can't stay away and they know it
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the only reason the levy hate has silenced a bit is due to him getting conte. if this fucks up its going to come back even louder.

i personally think hes tried to run the club the right way and has got unlucky with some things, but as i said hes already missed 2 massive boats now. if this little conte thing fails and we end up losing big players like kane, kulu, romero..then hes missed another opportunity and puts us back more steps yet again. its time to go if this fails again. its hard to argue for the bloke, the stadium was meant to be the breakthrough, thats done now and it feels like we are at a big point again where the club needs to get a few things right.

if this fails i want him out, i wont loathe him like some do, but hes clearly just not shrewd enough to be a chairman of this club.
 
stevee said:
I'd say that once manager leaves, it's the CEOs job to try and recruit the best man possible for the job.

It might not have been his plan for managers to leave/get sacked, but it absolutely was his plan to sign a manager who he thought would be better.

So the signing of Redknapp and Poch was not "luck".
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I think we agree on quite a bit outside of this topic , I must admit to being totally disaffected with ENIC , this can make me a bit blinkered, but I just don’t rate them as owners
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
This is not anti ENIC , our academy has produced the occasional gem 4 by my count last 50 years. We have never had 3-4-5 top internationals all come through together, it’s strange
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Off the top of my head I remember Campbell, Carr, Barmby, (Ian)Walker, Crouch and Ledley, from the 90's alone, all progressing through Spurs ranks and becoming top Premier League players and full internationals. There were others like Jaime Clapham who went on to become steady prem players at unfashionable clubs.
 
I would have a touch more respect for levy/ENIC, if they were to come out and be honest in regards to what they want to achieve.
By that I mean, if to them, keeping the club ticking over sustainable, mildly competitive and not challenging for silverware, much like we are now.
But to keep fleecing the fan base, with some of the highest prices in Europe, and not getting anything bad in return on the pitch is criminal.
If they don't want to compete, lower your prices and be like West ham, affordable football, but no hope of achieving anything but should remain in the premier League.
Let us just have some honesty Mr levy are you capable of that.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Off the top of my head I remember Campbell, Carr, Barmby, (Ian)Walker, Crouch and Ledley, from the 90's alone, all progressing through Spurs ranks and becoming top Premier League players and full internationals. There were others like Jaime Clapham who went on to become steady prem players at unfashionable clubs.
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Nah , Ledley and Campbell yes the rest are not in the same league as

The Woolwich group under Graham , look what the West Ham lot went on to win when they left , they were taken by the most successful clubs and won everything. Where did Carr , Barmby , Walker go , they traded down . I will give you Crouchy but he left us to achieve and we had to buy him back , we never brought him through
 
Zomb said:
Have a look at a club BHA, or Chelsea, or City, or Brentford. They have a medium term plan and stick to it and throw everything they have at improving and achieving
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You're going to have to explain that more to me.

What exactly are those clubs plans ?

I'm not trying to be funny or difficult, I'm genuinely interested in what plan exactly we should have and how our plan differs from other teams.
 
stevee said:
You're going to have to explain that more to me.

What exactly are those clubs plans ?

I'm not trying to be funny or difficult, I'm genuinely interested in what plan exactly we should have and how our plan differs from other teams.
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They sign players the managers want, and don’t faff around for months trying to shave off pennies.

They replace managers with similar managers, rather than veer from defensive manager, to up and coming manager to big name manager…… no structure or continuity in our madness
 
skywalker68 said:
I would have a touch more respect for levy/ENIC, if they were to come out and be honest in regards to what they want to achieve.
By that I mean, if to them, keeping the club ticking over sustainable, mildly competitive and not challenging for silverware, much like we are now.
But to keep fleecing the fan base, with some of the highest prices in Europe, and not getting anything bad in return on the pitch is criminal.
If they don't want to compete, lower your prices and be like West ham, affordable football, but no hope of achieving anything but should remain in the premier League.
Let us just have some honesty Mr levy are you capable of that.
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This is where I differ.

Levy and ENIC have never changed their business method in respect of how they treat the supporters.

They have exploited the Spurs fan base in a very cynical and methodical way for over twenty years.

Graham, Hoddle, Pleat, Santini, Jol, Ramos, Redknapp, AVB, Poch, Jose and Nuno were all compensated for their troubles.

The loyal season ticket holders, club members and match attending supporters have paid the highest prices in the Premier League for their tickets and been rewarded with one League Cup.

ENIC have always been the same.

They never make any promises.

We keep coming back for more of the same.
 
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Never understood why Adama gets so much hate on this. I’d 100% take him. His final product is good - he’s just had no one to cross the ball to for the last 2 years. With Kane on the end, he’d get loads of assists
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Nah , Ledley and Campbell yes the rest are not in the same league as

The Woolwich group under Graham , look what the West Ham lot went on to win when they left , they were taken by the most successful clubs and won everything. Where did Carr , Barmby , Walker go , they traded down . I will give you Crouchy but he left us to achieve and we had to buy him back , we never brought him through
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I'm not claiming they left and did better than they would have at Spurs.

The point I was making was that Spurs have produced players that became full internationals and played for many years in the Premier League.

Barmby and Crouch both played for Liverpool and won trophies!

Stephen Carr, for me, is the finest right back I have ever seen playing for Spurs. The poor bastard left Tottenham for Newcastle, just as we swapped places with them as European qualification contenders. He did win another League Cup with Birmingham City though. Which is a collectors item if you are unfortunate enough to follow them.

He got to lift the trophy against Woolwich too.
 
Kosher Kid said:
By the time Santini was appointed the natives were getting restless. ENIC had been in for three years by then, off the back of Sugar's regime, and had already sacked two managers; George Graham and Glenn Hoddle. We had also had David Pleat in charge for nine months as a caretaker.

Sol Campbell had left on a free transfer, to the other lot, and the free 44,000 stadium at Picketts Lock had disappeared up Tessa Jowell's arse.

ENIC were also at their penny pinching worst taking away cup matches from season tickets, increasing the cost of season tickets, starting season ticket waiting lists and taking away benefits from season ticket holders, such as associate club membership, which allowed season ticket holders to get the same discount on club merchandise as members who would pick and choose the games they wanted to attend.

I was angry about ENIC's ownership at the time and it is why I remember all these details so well. It had also become common knowledge by then that Roman Abramovich had approached Levy and made an offer to buy the club before he decided to buy Chelsea. Levy turned him down.

Levy sells Tottenham's best players to whoever he wants to whenever he wants to; unless they run their contracts down like Toby, Eriksen and Danny Rose.

Luka Modric reveals he wants to leave Tottenham for Chelsea
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on most of those points I can really see where you're coming from and agree, it's just some of your previous statements muddied the water and seem to be fuelled by anger, rather than fact.

That Luka Modric link you provided proves that the player engineered a move but Levy refused to sell to a competitor, especially after the Arnesen debacle, and not for a poultry £22m. Both parties agreed he would stay one more year, and be sold abroad if the right offer came in. It did and we got £13m more than Chelsea offered.

Players will always claim ambition to move to a bigger club, and rarely admit it's for the money as it's bad PR and doesn't build a good relationship with the fans. Up until recently we've been a stepping stone for players, it's the sad truth that all bar a few teams have to cope with. In recent years the only player we've successfully held onto is Kane, and that might come back and cost us... It was a bold statement and whilst most fan were annoyed with Kane, Levy stuck to his word and didn't sell.
 
JohnLondon said:
Our success rate on transfers must be the worst in the Premier league. The amount of money we have wasted on average or poor players is shocking. The likes of Ndombele, Sanchez, Lo Celso, Emerson, Reguilon, Bergwjin, Sessegnon, Doherty, Aurier, Gil etc have cost us close to £300 million. How many of these were signed because the manager at the time wanted them or were Levy/ DoF signings, I have no idea. You can add Spence onto that list, another £20m wasted on a player that the manager clearly didn’t want.
You then get onto our youth academy. Over the last 20 or so years since Enic’s ownership, the only player I can think of that has come through the ranks & has been top class is Kane. That a shocking return & makes you wonder what the point of our academy is.
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to be fair we broke even on bergwijn i think or thereabouts, gil looks to be a talent that could come good and doherty is fair value at 15m in relation to the market. the rest though are an absolute disgraceful waste of money.
 
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