The point was that putting unsecured debt onto the club would be a bad thing. You spectacularly missed that point because you’re not interested in good faith discussion.
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Ok ???? I don't care. Most owners don't do that (almost none of them in fact) and just put their own money in. Practically every owner in the Premier League has put more of their own money in than ENIC, they don't need to leverage clubs with debt.
All you've got is the fucking Glazers, because Abramovich was a shit example and you know it. Fundamentally I don't even give a shit that ENIC won't invest in us, but I do care that they won't do that & also can't run a football club competently, to the point where we need every referee decision under the sun to beat Brighton at home 2-1.
Now fuck off.
If you don’t care then don’t intervene when grown-ups are speaking.
Myself and others were saying that it was stupid to complain about the club generating money (gokarting meme is a current favourite) because all money generated goes back into the club. There were people suggesting that Levy has taken money out of the club. That’s false. So it remains true that complaining about revenue generation is among the worst takes I’ve seen recently.
It’s also true that the club hasn’t taken on any unsecured debt. So the club is well-run financially which is the only way we’ll compete.
If you want to keep seizing on statements out of context to score points then be my guest. I know reading for structure is hard, especially on a forum, but you’ll have far better conversations if you try.
I intervened to make you look a tit (not hard) because half your examples were shit.
I don't complain personally about revenue generation, I just don't care either. It's irrelevant as they have no idea what to do with any extra money anyway. It's why I also didn't actually ask them to leverage the club, because they'd waste every penny on a few past it managers and a handful of Richarlison's.
But I'm so glad we're financially well ran. Doesn't stop us being the plucky underdog vs the mighty Brighton (who Tony Bloom stuck 60m of his own money in to recently btw) in our glorious new Beyonce ready stadium.
As for having conversations, I worked you out on this topic months ago.
Thank god the refs gave us a break today otherwise our world class owners ENIC/Levy would be getting criticized. Hopefully this win buys them time so they can get us back on track. We are so lucky to have them!
Spurs fans survey: Only 8.6% of fans trust Daniel Levy with on-pitch matters
With so much uncertainty around Tottenham Hotspur, The Athletic asked fans for their views on some of the biggest issues around the club...theathletic.com
There’s a huge amount going on at Tottenham Hotspur, with uncertainty surrounding the new head coach, the managing director of football and the general direction of the club.
We asked for your views on Spurs’ most pressing issues, and almost 4,000 of you responded.
It’s a considerable sample size, and highlights that Julian Nagelsmann — rather than Mauricio Pochettino — is your preferred choice as Antonio Conte’s successor, how little trust there is in Daniel Levy when it comes to on-pitch matters (especially when compared to off-pitch ones), and an overwhelming disagreement with the decision not to suspend Fabio Paratici when he was banned in Italy.
These are the results of The Athletic’s Tottenham survey.
Starting with the head coach vacancy, 86 per cent of those surveyed either agreed or strongly agreed with the decision to sack Conte.
Concerningly, the most popular response (41.6 per cent) to the decision to temporarily replace him with Cristian Stellini was indifference, reflecting the apathy that is creeping in at Spurs as they stagger towards the end of the season. At least the next best was a positive response, with 28.3 per cent agreeing with the decision.
As for Conte’s permanent successor, Nagelsmann was the most popular choice (48 per cent), followed by Pochettino (30.4 per cent) and then Brighton & Hove Albion’s Roberto De Zerbi (10.2 per cent). Spurs host Brighton on Saturday, incidentally. Other suggestions for the next Spurs manager included Ted Lasso, Tim Sherwood and View From The Lane host Danny Kelly.
Regarding the ongoing ‘Spurs DNA’ vs ‘win now’ debate, more than half (50.6 per cent) said that style of play was what mattered most when picking a new manager. Above engendering a sense of togetherness (25.9 per cent) and winning trophies (23.5 per cent).
When it comes to how the club is being run, there was broad dissatisfaction in the responses. As many as 82.2 per cent were either unhappy or very unhappy with Levy’s running of the club, and 79.7 per cent were less happy with the running of club than they were a month ago.
An almost unanimous 91.4 per cent said they do not trust Levy with on-field matters, contrasted with 57.5 per cent of respondents saying they trusted Levy with off-field matters.
More than three quarters (75.7 per cent), meanwhile, disagreed with the club keeping Paratici in his role when he had been banned from Italian football by the country’s FA in January.
Fewer than half (42.3 per cent) felt that Spurs were punching above their weight as a club, though a resounding 83.7 per cent either agreed or strongly agreed that Spurs were in a better position now than they were when Levy took over.
One decision that will prove popular is the club announcing that they will freeze season ticket prices for 2023-24. Our poll closed shortly before Wednesday’s announcement and had only 5.9 per cent of respondents saying they would be either understanding or very understanding of a rise in prices.
Clearly, there are issues at the club that need resolving. A good result against Brighton on Saturday would at least lift the mood in the short term.
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just leaving this here
Did we want Paratici?From Coys reddit, I imagine you'll all be agreeing with this?
Was Conte really backed? Spending £192m - £45m of which is on a player we had already agreed to buy - and another £75m+ on two players he seemingly didn't want (Spence and Richielad) instantly leaves very little cash actually spent.
We have spent half a billion or so on players since the Champion's League final only to have wasted four years.
Perhaps letting Poch that painful rebuild would have actually been the more sensible option, since it now has to be done.
Of course not. They should absolutely be investing some of their investment gains though to get the investment back on track. I expect c.£500M to be pumped in this summer, that’s around 10% of their total gains from initial investment of 30M (which was repaid through a murky share dilution if I remember correctly). Agree?Good to see you’re still avoiding whether you would be happy for ENIC to load the club with debt to fund transfers. You seemed to be happy for it earlier
Good post. This is the most recent evidence I can find which backs you up completely
Keeping good company
Sandwiched between Mike Ashley and the Glazers. ....Swiss ramble. Extremely reliable source.I just can't understand this handful of individuals spending so much time defending these people. Honestly.
It's like a full time job. An obsession.
Bloom has put in over 300M, ten times what that gnarled old bollock faced tax dodger has
Think that’s a bit of out date and doesn’t include the 100M last summer? Which will put them on par with Palace and LeedsGood post. This is the most recent evidence I can find which backs you up completely
Sandwiched between Mike Ashley and the Glazers. ....Swiss ramble. Extremely reliable source.
I just can't understand this handful of individuals spending so much time defending these people. Honestly.
It's like a full time job. An obsession.
Enic has borrowed huge sums which are the clubs debt. They own the shares but via the limited nature of the business are not responsible for that debt. The debt will be paid off via revenue but as revenue increases and the value of the club increases who will profit? Yes that's it the share holders. Meanwhile the footballing side has spent 5 years spiralling downwards into the shit we have now. Levy has placed the club in a situation where the increase in revenue is actually neutral due to the wages we pay for players loaned out who are unsellable at the amounts he wants, oh and the interest we pay for our debt.
Still the revenue increase makes Daniels shares worth so much more...
Running the club well financially (though clearly that's not the case) is not how you compete, it's be getting the footballing side of things sorted. Oh yeah dickhead Dan has bought in some fucking Aussie with experience in NRL ARL the Olympics, shit Aussie league teams and China?????? To run out footballing side. Can you imagine if some Aussie rules team brought in someone from fucking Europe to run the sporting side of the club???? No they wouldnt!
Nothing changes with levy at the helm.
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Agree with this but think you have to give the Aussie time. If he’s a good operator, he will adapt. He’s not the one coaching, or having to justify his football credentials to millionaire players - good businessman are adaptable and if he employs the right data teams, agents, legal staff, coaching team etc then he’s done his job.
Wow the ENIC out chants are deafening, I reckon this chant and the petition of 15k signatures will definitely turn Levy's head.
You really are a piece of work, aren't you.Wow the ENIC out chants are deafening, I reckon this chant and the petition of 15k signatures will definitely turn Levy's head.
Not content with just ridiculing other fans on here who want better for our club, you're now stooping to ridicule and piss take actual match going fans spending huge amounts of their hard earned dough watching their team......
While you just spend each weekend sat on your disgusting big fat arse preaching and pontificating.
It's quite shameful behaviour to be honest with you, mate
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From Coys reddit, I imagine you'll all be agreeing with this?
Not 'everyone' wanted Paratici for one. And Levy, as chairman, doesn't get judged to the same standards as a fan. Even if a bunch of fans wanted Conte + Paratici (Having had the likes of Nuno and Hitchens inflicted upon them for years) it doesn't mean he doesn't get criticised for making decisions which went terribly.
Yes. He hired a manager who plays defensive football.
Right???? So he got one managerial appointment right (in a sea of terrible ones) and then sacked him. A stopped clock is right once a day. As for 'best interests' at heart, sure .. he wants us to do well, no denying it. But he's shit at it, so who cares?
Organically grown? We're not a fucking vegetable. We're not currently punching above our weight and haven't really since Poch other than a brief spell last season. Hovering around 6th/7th is par or below par, and given other 'super' teams are flailing atm, that isn't great. Especially when we're nowhere in the cups + quality of football is unwatchable.
Most owners in the league are more competent at the football side of running a club than ENIC. You've only got Moshiri, Glazers, Boehly, Sullivan who are clearly worse. So the chances of the grass being "Greener" (esp. at the price ENIC would ever sell for) are pretty fucking high.
The guy closest to camera had a horrible voice, sounded like me singing.