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Raumdeuterz said:
Football does change quickly. This is just my prediction for where we’re currently on course for. We may well see a getting together of our shit and a reversal of decline, who knows?

Money talks but other teams are spending their money better. And when they drop off they’ll be relaxed with fresh, hungry clubs. A couple of seasons ago we were 3 points ahead of Leeds, now it’s Brighton and Villa. In 2 seasons it might be Brentford.

The post Son/Kane era has the potential to be spectacularly bad. It could also be great with the right changes. I just don’t see that course of action happening. I could be wrong, and legitimately hope I’m here with egg all over my face taking the banter from you & the other ENIC in posters in 2 seasons time.

Again, my position is that ENIC did very good work (with some flaws/errors but this is true of all) but that their methodology/MO stopped being new or progressive a while ago. And we haven’t adapted to the way the football world has changed lately, we’ve just stayed in the past.
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It’s an important moment for the club. I hope those who were calling for us to hire « a winner » will realise how dumb that position was and that we’ll hire the kind of manager that you and I both appreciate. I think we’re similar on that.

We have the core of a very young and hungry team in the hands of the right manager: Porro, Udogie, Romero, Skipp, Sarr, Gil, Hojbjerg, Bentancur, Bissouma, Kulu, Son, Richarlison all belong in a team competing for top 4 and the cups. Most of those are 25 or younger.

We need a manager who can make us better than the sum of our parts. For 3 years now we’ve had 6 months of that under Poch.

Recruitment this summer is also very important. If we can bring in a GK, CB and AM who are first team ready and clear improvements and have a manager who get us playing then this will be a happier place in 6 months.
 
spurs_1961 said:
They have made some mistakes but the overall quality of our team is improving. Kulu, bentacur, romero, Pedro porro and richarlison have improved the team. It can take time. We have made some bad buys but enic and levy are trying to put things right. Levy wants spurs to succeed long term. It is not a short term project like others are doing. Building a massive foundation for success. Levy does not like to be conned by other clubs and I respect that. You and others demands is what makes us waste 60 million odd on ndombele. You can't have it both ways. Success does not occur overnight. Other clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool are struggling as well but we are in a better position than them at the moment. You are far too spoilt. I supported spurs during times much worse than this.
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I just don‘t see it , from the peak Poch team


We have kept Lloris well past his sell by date
We have downgraded both Walker and Tripps at RB
We are a basket case at LB compared to peak Rose
We have downgraded on Jan and Toby at centre back
We have downgraded on Dembele and Eriksen


Not even sure the above is a debate to be honest, maybe they couldn’t all be replaced with equal or better , but to downgrade 8 is frankly disgraceful


As I said I make that 8 downgrades if we incl keeping LLoris longer than we should by several years . We arguably have got an age issue with Sonny but i still think he might come back 🤞
 
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Ed Vanderlay said:
Actually I can’t , I think he has stumbled largely into the success we have had . However any success whether by design or good fortune he has overseen he has taken a grenade to post CL , can you see that?
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So your take is that Poch succeeded because of his skill but Levy has succeeded because of luck?

I can see that we have made poor managerial appointments since Poch. The football has been boring and the results a drop off from the consistent over performance for a decade before that. Agree?
 
spurs_1961 said:
They have made some mistakes but the overall quality of our team is improving. Kulu, bentacur, romero, Pedro porro and richarlison have improved the team. It can take time. We have made some bad buys but enic and levy are trying to put things right. Levy wants spurs to succeed long term. It is not a short term project like others are doing. Building a massive foundation for success. Levy does not like to be conned by other clubs and I respect that. You and others demands is what makes us waste 60 million odd on ndombele. You can't have it both ways. Success does not occur overnight. Other clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool are struggling as well but we are in a better position than them at the moment. You are far too spoilt. I supported spurs during times much worse than this.
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Are you a comedian to be hired at special functions?
 
Raf said:
Oh I’m not denying it was shit, just like I’m not denying this season has been shit. I just don’t think we’re dropping down to mid table. Even that season under fucking Sherwood we finished sixth.
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You haven’t addressed the whole finishing 3 points above 10th recently thing. Or the season after where we were 3 points ahead of Leeds in 8th.

It’s very clearly a possibility if just a small drop of level occurs.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
For the record here and i'm not sure i have to justify myself, but i wasnt ENIC out in 2007. However i agree with the sentiment in the post about the disdain for the fanbase about the potential move to Stratford.

I was a bit 50/50 on them until it became patently obvious they werent really that interested in making the football side a success, firstly by spending nothing in 2018, secondly by appointing the very much un Tottenham like Mourinho and just the general appalling decision making of the last 5 years.

My final lightbulb moment was the first game of the season against Everton in 2020 when are new ambitious signings were Joe Hart, Matt Doherty and Hojbjerg with Mourinho as manager. We lost 1-0, barely had a shot and it pretty much set the tone for whats followed. That isnt Tottenham and its when i decided i wouldnt go again until they've gone.
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You express yourself clearly and thoughtfully - i dont think you’d be invited back for a second appearance on TottenhamFanTV unfortunately.

However, how can you have been 50/50 in 2018 after15 years of steady improvement and a decade of over performance. More consistent European competition than any time in our history, our second best league form in our history… that’s the bit I’m stuck on. Last 5 years is deserving of anger but that anger should have hit after a decade of happiness and love, no?
 
LeParisien said:
So your take is that Poch succeeded because of his skill but Levy has succeeded because of luck?

I can see that we have made poor managerial appointments since Poch. The football has been boring and the results a drop off from the consistent over performance for a decade before that. Agree?
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Yes

However , and you won’t agree , I genuinely believe the over performance was largely in spite of Levy . I think Poch carried Spurs on his back , we would have had Van Gaal if Levy had got his way. Out of 15 or whatever managers it is law of averages even a fool might pick a couple of good ones
 
FightingIllini said:
I mean, that is emblematic of the ongoing pattern of decision making.

Levy's lost the plot, that's the whole argument here.
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With respect, it’s not.

You are a sensible, thoughtful and measured poster. The majority of ENIC out are not.

The actual results since Mourinho took over have been ok (average league position 5th which is expected after a decade of overperformance) but underwhelming in the cups.

It’s the quality of performance which has been inexcusably bad. And there are MANY posters who were very happy we had hired in « winners » regardless of the quality of football or the likelihood of them reproducing that success here.

This has been symptomatic of a muddled strategy on the playing side.

Those criticisms are real and I’m on board with them. I’m not ENIC in dogmatically.
 
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Raf said:
I don’t know who replaces Kane’s goals. But I don’t think it’s a stretch to think that Son can find form next season. If Richarlison is the main striker I’m sure he’ll get double digits with more consistent game time.

Toney has nearly 20 goals this season so that’s another option.

We didn’t replace all of Bales goals when he left but we still didn’t drop to midtable.
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Richarlison’s best season is 13 goals. Zero for us so far. We better hope he turns it around.

Just checked on Toney. His contract is through to 2025 so I’m assuming 40/50 million, depending on interest?

These are punts though. And strikers take time to bed in; see Nunez at Liverpool.

I’m not a negative Nancy. Like Deuterz Deuterz , nothing would bring me more pleasure than having to eat crow and watch us storm back up the table. I just really think we’re in bad shape. And our stadium won’t help. The squad is unbalanced, full of too many average players and I our talisman is likely off.

What would help us is Bissouma turning into an absolute monster 6/8 and allowing us to add some creativity to the midfield.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Yes

However , and you won’t agree , I genuinely believe the over performance was largely in spite of Levy . I think Poch carried Spurs on his back , we would have had Van Gaal if Levy had got his way. Out of 15 or whatever managers it is law of averages even a fool might pick a couple of good ones
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It is not the law of averages that we would have the longest period of European qualification in our history, meet or exceed expected League finishes for 11 out of 13 seasons, or have the second best period of league form in our history. Our strong performance is sustained over time.

It also predates Pochettino by many years. Our revenue was 6th in the league and our league finishes BEFORE Poch were 6 - 5 - 4 - 5- 4. We overperformed in 4 out of the 5 seasons before Poch came.

Your theory doesn’t align with the facts. How do you explain this consistent over performance relative to our resources?

You’ve got to do a lot of handwaving.
 
LeParisien said:
You are a sensible, thoughtful and measured poster. The majority of ENIC out are not.
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Charmed, but I stand in solidarity with the melts and nutters who share my conviction that the club needs change at the top, even if I also find their tone and arguments occasionally unconvincing. I find the excuses and spin for the ENIC regime far more grating if made to choose.

For whatever it's worth I broadly agree with your prescription for the best path forward over the next year for Levy & Co. However, I both don't expect it to be followed, and think the failure to do so will be part and parcel of the toxic values of the club's leadership that are the real problem here, not the tactical principals of our rotating carousel of managers.
 
spurs_1961 said:
They have made some mistakes but the overall quality of our team is improving. Kulu, bentacur, romero, Pedro porro and richarlison have improved the team. It can take time. We have made some bad buys but enic and levy are trying to put things right. Levy wants spurs to succeed long term. It is not a short term project like others are doing. Building a massive foundation for success. Levy does not like to be conned by other clubs and I respect that. You and others demands is what makes us waste 60 million odd on ndombele. You can't have it both ways. Success does not occur overnight. Other clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool are struggling as well but we are in a better position than them at the moment. You are far too spoilt. I supported spurs during times much worse than this.
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BS
I never said anything about 60 million buys...or wasting money
How about sorting out the scouting team for starters - getting quality scouts that do there homework and get a wish list of players before we need them - like Brighton

There are ways of getting quality players and unfortunately I and many others do not believe Levy or Enic. Why charge extortionate amounts for ST's?

Also do not waste money on managers you have no intention of backing properly
Mourinho and Conti appointments were a waste of time...designed to hoodwink fans .

After 23 years the owners aren't fit for purpose
 
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