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ENIC In or ENIC Out


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Football fans are consumers. This is like saying because most people still buy fifa every year most people are happy with EA.

People don’t like ENIC. That doesn’t mean they will go and waste time stood out with a poster or will not go and watch some football.

What an interesting turn of phrase, yoube just totally summed up everyone's feelings towards this faux bravado because it is isn't it?
 
I think you miss the point of my post.

That was added lately, when another thread was merged.

Yep, agree.

Might as well shout at the clouds.
No, I get the point. You're effectively saying that we should either protest or stop talking about it. I don't agree 1/ because a protest outside the stadium will have no impact and 2/ Levy is not really that important a factor in most fans' lives. I mean, scan the list of those who voted; how many regularly come here on the rampage? 4/5ths who voted want him out but I think the majority of those don't post about him that regularly. Doesn't mean we don't want him gone though.

As for shouting at the clouds - I sometimes do! But a forum is a place for discussion and debate. We speak our mind. Just because we don't all grab our pitchforks and stand there like '80s miners on a cold, autumn evening to no real end (when was the last time you saw a protest that made a difference?) doesn't mean we're here on the wind-up. We would just like to see someone with a fresh vision take the reigns.
 
But a forum is a place for discussion and debate. We speak our mind. Just because we don't all grab our pitchforks and stand there like '80s miners on a cold, autumn evening to no real end (when was the last time you saw a protest that made a difference?) doesn't mean we're here on the wind-up. We would just like to see someone with a fresh vision take the reigns

Superbly put.
 
No, I get the point. You're effectively saying that we should either protest or stop talking about it.
Nope, that's not what I'm saying at all. I knew you missed the point.
I don't agree 1/ because a protest outside the stadium will have no impact
Exactly.
and 2/ Levy is not really that important a factor in most fans' lives. I mean, scan the list of those who voted; how many regularly come here on the rampage? 4/5ths who voted want him out but I think the majority of those don't post about him that regularly. Doesn't mean we don't want him gone though.
Most of those that have voted Levy Out (as I said this poll is worthless) are regular match goers, ST holders some of them. If you want him gone why give him money?
As for shouting at the clouds - I sometimes do! But a forum is a place for discussion and debate. We speak our mind. Just because we don't all grab our pitchforks and stand there like '80s miners on a cold, autumn evening to no real end (when was the last time you saw a protest that made a difference?)
They don't, that's the point!
doesn't mean we're here on the wind-up.
I've never said all are on the wind up, although a lot are trolling.
We would just like to see someone with a fresh vision take the reigns.
Such as? That's the real question, who?

I saw a lot of the usual Levy Out suspects hailing the rumours of Amanda Staveley getting involved, what has happened to Newcastle since she got involved with them? Not a lot.
 
I didn't participate on this poll.
But I have one question.

When Levy/Enic leave - how do you want that Tottenham Hotspur FC to line up then?
Another funder, a state, an association of financially strong people from England, making Tottenham a members' club that is "governed" by a board and needs sponsors without losing its majority on his club?

How is the discussion in the club, between the fans?

I'm really interest!

Someone who places winning as more important than their financial return. If only slightly would be an improvement on the current lot.
 
Nope, that's not what I'm saying at all. I knew you missed the point.
Well, not really because you basically said that those of us who voted in that poll are all words (despite in this instance it being a simple binary poll) and no action, implying that if we're not prepared to back up what we think with banner-waving action then our words carry no meaning. "Bullshit and bluster" to quote your own phrase.
 
Well, not really because you basically said that those of us who voted in that poll are all words (despite in this instance it being a simple binary poll) and no action, implying that if we're not prepared to back up what we think with banner-waving action then our words carry no meaning. "Bullshit and bluster" to quote your own phrase.
Nope.

You need to read all of my post, and if you can be bothered all of my other posts.
 
Quit wishing death on people. I am not going to tell you again.

Consider this a friendly warning.

Got no issues with you wanting a change of ownership. That’s totally understandable. But it stops there.

Now I’ve got better things to do than teach you to be a decent person like me. Noswaith dda
If you are being fair you’d have to admit that his post clearly implied he’d celebrate Lewis’s demise. That may be distasteful but that is not the same as wishing it or encouraging anyone to bring it about, unless jelly & icecream was inducement enough…
 
LOL.

Thanks for popping in.

I’d like to see fresh fans replace the likes of you one…ones who are able to actually enjoy watching spurs without shitting all over the club…but I’m not gonna get that, so YOU don’t get new owners.

No happiness for ANYONE! :dembelefingers: :nunothumb:
Levy most certainly isn't the club. But I am definitely keen to see the shit sucked out of the club.

Levy aside, feel free to go back and see just how often I've gone in fists swinging about the club. Short of grumbling about Ange's tactics on occasion and Timo Werner, I'm pretty confident that I haven't said much of a negative word since Conte was scowling at his stitches.

Back to the shed for your evening nipple milking, goat.
 
I’d be happy to see new owners. Just not gonna party if they die. That ok with you, Butts?

Already done my evening milking :adegrin:

Why don’t you go get some nice crayons and attempt to fill in that colouring book you’ve been struggling with, butt.

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I can tell you're at the apex of your debating game this evening, goat! I yield to the greater mind (I also think you're confusing me with someone else who wants someone dead?)
 
It’s a bit ridiculous using the protest argument .

How many people in the UK are concerned about climate change and want something done , then how many of them have joined Just Stop Oil .

How many people are disgusted with the polluting of our rivers and seas, how many of them go full Fergal Sharkey .

The list of can’t be arsed to protest issues is endless , many of which are more important than outing Levy . Are people seriously saying people can’t moan about our Water companies borrowing money , paying dividends and excessive bonuses , then upping our bills to pay for it unless we chain ourselves to a sewage plant

Some of us would like Levy gone , we are fully entitled to say that whilst being to apathetic to protest

EDIT : Final thoughts look at the low turnouts at elections and local elections . Pretty sure most of those who don’t vote are not blissfully happy and are moaning about a multitude of issues on a daily or weekly basis.

Saying Levy out is way too trivial an issue to engage in any form of protest . It will take a lot more than ENIC pissing me off to get me on the streets
 
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It’s a bit ridiculous using the protest argument .

How many people in the UK are concerned about climate change and want something done , then how many of them have joined Just Stop Oil .

How many people are disgusted with the polluting of our rivers and seas, how many of them go full Fergal Sharkey .

The list of can’t be arsed to protest issues is endless , many of which are more important than outing Levy . Are people seriously saying people can’t moan about our Water companies borrowing money , paying dividends and excessive bonuses , then upping our bills to pay for it unless we chain ourselves to a sewage plant

Some of us would like Levy gone , we are fully entitled to say that whilst being to apathetic to protest

I couldn't put it better myself. It's a silly argument. At the end of the day it's our football club. But that's it....a football club. A club that we're passionate about and where fans will always have different views and opinions on every aspect from the owners to the managers to the players.

Most fans who dislike ENIC, will not allow that dislike to stop them continuing to support their team or enjoying their match day experience...

And why should they?
 
Someone who places winning as more important than their financial return. If only slightly would be an improvement on the current lot.
Thank you for your answer,

It is completely unusual for me as a German football fan to become a fan of a football club supported by an investor.

But - that is more than a good thing!

In the Bundesliga we have four clubs - Leipzig, Wolfsburg, Leverkusen and Hoffenheim - that have bought their way into the Bundesliga through the influx of money from third parties.

In contrast, old traditional clubs (Kaiserslautern, 1860 Munich, Duisburg and many others) have disappeared into the obscurity of the 3rd or 4th division.

But I obviously respect that other countries have different rules and that is why I am far from trying to be a missionary here.

In any case, I am grateful to you and MemphisWill MemphisWill for giving me an initial insight into the system in England.

That motivates me to keep learning.

Thank you very much!
 
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