We were handing out contract renewals left and right to players that had hardly kicked a ball for us.
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And de Jong. When he couldn’t get him and we fucked the Grealish deal he thought nothing was better than the other options put his way.
I always think back to this when people say, oh yeah but Ange signed off on Odobert (for example) so he must have wanted him. Oh yeah sure, he was top of his list. The only reason we signed him was because Ange thought it better than getting nobody in. Just like most managers do.
Agree this happens with every manager and people still haven't woken up
He can change , lessons have been learned
People still think this despite the evidence to the contrary
He’s getting worse - slashing the wage bill by 20% is wild even by his standards. Probably lowered to somewhere around where it was before the stadium was built under Poch
He can change , lessons have been learned
People still think this despite the evidence to the contrary
The lower wage bill is a natural byproduct of turning over the squad with younger players on cheaper salaries. Perisic, Ndombele and Dier gone are positives which greatly reduced the wage bill and were replaced with cheaper, younger players.
As these players grow, their wages will increase and we'll be adding more players on substantial wages. VDV, Udogie, Sarr and maybe Porro will be getting new contracts as soon as this summer in some cases.
If we maintain the wage bill near the limit, then we're handcuffed when the need to extend someone arises. Better to have some room.
Levy is shit for a lot of reasons, that's not really one of them. We lost a shit ton of money last year.
Well Son will be off the books reasonably soon , Romero likely the same . I am expecting we get cheap replacements . You have every right to believe this is not cost cutting but forward planning, I have decided 25 years of forward planning is enough for me .
We are losing money because we have allowed teams to move back above us for CL places , worse still teams have come from miles behind us to muscle us out of CL. Villa and Newcastle are limited by FFP yet they usurped our position in the CL last two seasons . There is no excuse for this , none at all.
Woolwich were bound to experience a post Wenger issue , see Yanited post Fergie . Chelsea are a basket case , Yanited are as well . However as much as I loathe them , the two London clubs in particular it is clear the three above are chucking the kitchen sink at getting back . In the long run the teams that spend the most on wages are the most successful, this is not even a debate . We were in a position to compete and IMHO Levy shat his pants and let it slip, he now lacks the cojones to push back.
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Villa is going to go bankrupt or face a points deduction at minimum. Their revenues alone are something like 90% of their revenue.
I don't think it's some sort of masterful forward planning, just a natural occurrence because we've turned the squad over. I've said multiple times we should be pushing our wages up close to 60% of revenue (where Liverpool hover) as we've historically been too conservative.
The good news is the room in the wage budget does not grant us that excuse for not getting in players. Winning the EL is the focus for me - it's a gettable trophy and puts us in the CL to repair last season's red ink.
You can’t focus on a trophy with 31 other sides in it (knockouts). We can make it a priority but it’s risky…. League cup should be an equal focus
Villa say the figures are "in line with the strategic business plan" and within the Premier League's profit and sustainability rules.
The owners are not mugs
They can say that, but there's no way with wages at that high a percentage of gross revenue they can be even remotely within PSL even adding CL revenue unless their "strategic business plan" includes winning the CL multiple times.
I don't really know if contemplating the "genuineness" of Villa's owners' intentions is a great use of everyone's time, nor does it really matter- we're a bigger club and ought to be bettering them in the table on a consistent basis. Same with Newcastle.
It's obvious what Levy is trying to do: grow the club economically, while remaining competitive, while also generating consistent profits for ENIC. But when you're in a league funded by desperate hundred-billionaires and nation-state proxies, trying to win under those conditions is like trying to win a game on legendary or hardcore game mode.
There's a possible set of moves that Levy is willing to make given the constraints and requirements that he's put in place, and there is a subset of those moves, which if skillfully worked could see us competing with bigger clubs, and possibly even out-competing them, despite the constraints. I think a lot of us know what kind of moves and ideas I am talking about- we discuss them often on here.
The disappointing part is that Levy is just not making the right moves often enough and so we are consigned to this repetitive cusp-of-upper-mid-table football purgatory crap, with really the only hope being that Levy figures out how to play the game better.
It's obvious what Levy is trying to do: grow the club economically, while remaining competitive, while also generating consistent profits for ENIC. But when you're in a league funded by desperate hundred-billionaires and nation-state proxies, trying to win under those conditions is like trying to win a game on legendary or hardcore game mode.
There's a possible set of moves that Levy is willing to make given the constraints and requirements that he's put in place, and there is a subset of those moves, which if skillfully worked could see us competing with bigger clubs, and possibly even out-competing them, despite the constraints. I think a lot of us know what kind of moves and ideas I am talking about- we discuss them often on here.
The disappointing part is that Levy is just not making the right moves often enough and so we are consigned to this repetitive cusp-of-upper-mid-table football purgatory crap, with really the only hope being that Levy figures out how to play the game better.
League Cup is a trophy but comes with 0 additional benefit, and is not even the most important domestic cup competition. In no way should it be an equal focus.
The EL is a winnable trophy that will be worth about £20-25M this season and put us in the CL that brings £40M+ next season. It's a massively beneficial competition to win, and is more advantageous to us financially and culturally to win than to finish 3rd or 4th in the PL.
Winning the EL is the best realistically possible thing we can accomplish this season. The League Cup would be a nice foot note, but like 2008 it will ultimately be completely inconsequential.
So- you'd like to keep Ange on until the end of the season, and take a run at either cup, not worry about the league table unless close to relegation, and see if he can deliver?
If he delivers a cup and we get 14th, would we then keep him another season?
Auto-sack if 14th with no cups won?
If Ange ends up at the end of the season 14th in the league with no cups, how bad is it or not for the club, recruitment and player morale versus replacing Ange with another manager mid-season?
I tend to be of the opinion that if we think he should be gone in the summer, why shouldn't he be gone now? But I'm open to hearing reasons why he might be kept on.
I've said before that his ongoing employment during this season, to me, has more to do with how you evaluate our ongoing chances of winning the EL than the league.
We're +400 to win the EL right now and +320 to finish top 4. While that does look to favour the league, we're favourites to win the EL while 4 clubs are ahead of us in the PL odds - Chelsea the nearest at -125, so we're 5th by a considerable margin.
Nothing I've seen from Ange's squad in the past calendar year makes me think we have the capacity for consistency to get top 4 in the league. We probably can't rise to the occasion in the EL either, but in my judgement it's the more likely possibility.
Plus, it's a trophy, and philosophically I'd rather win our way into the CL than finish 4th again. The financial delta between league places isn't high enough in that regard. Financially 7th +EL is more lucrative than 4th+knocked out in the EL, and the former comes with a trophy which we desperately need.
All of that to say, I've said before it's hard to sack him if you think the EL is still a decent shout. But if you lose faith in that, unless the league form dramatically turns around then he should probably be sacked. All of this is why I said the Galatasaray match should be prioritized over Ipswitch, and why I said the Roma and Rangers matches in the busy December calendar will be extremely important to his employment.
Agree with benefit and consequence but my point is we still should prioritise the 3 remaining games as well - both these over league imo. EL > LC for sure but the latter is just 3 results!
At the stage we've arrived at in the LC, I agree - we should be trying our best to win it. I would rest players against Southampton to prioritize the LC knowing there are 2 other matches in the following week which will be important (Liverpool and Forest) in the league.
Our best chance of an EL trophy would be a morale boosting appointment conveniently as the knockouts start, preferably somebody who is tactically sound of mind and has experience navigating cup competitions. In other words, our best chance was Tuchel.