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Our wages were 42% in 23/24. Reckon they must be about mid 30% by now. Wonder what they will be next season if our transfers are all youth oriented.
 
Tomo said:
Our wages were 42% in 23/24. Reckon they must be about mid 30% by now. Wonder what they will be next season if our transfers are all youth oriented.
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They should in theory start going up, we were here in 2016 when everyone was talking about our players being underpaid and then they got a spate of new contracts and a salary bump, mind you they had actually earned them back then so...
 
Dark Shadow said:
Art we are 💯 not going over £200k pw now and when I say over I mean nowhere near
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I know that. It was a purely theoretical exercise.
Trying to illustrate that IMO having the room to increase wages massively means not that much if we can't put it to good use.

For example I wouldn't want to pay 200k a week for a Romero level defender. I'd be hoping we chase someone that's a little better. So that we have that player then Romero and VDV as top defenders. Similarly I wouldn't want to offer 250k a week for a Bentancur level midfielder, I'd be hoping for a DM in the same class as Rodri. If all we're doing is luring a Casemiro type player that used to be great at a giant club but now just wants a big pay day then why bother doing what United are doing?

I personally don't think we have the stature as a club that we did in the 80s-early 90s to convince top top talent to join us over other bigger clubs, and our ownership under Sugar meant we missed the boat that was the wealth expansion at the beginning of the premier league.

The consequence being that the quest to be a part of that top echelon is ever so much harder now that even the tiny clubs in the EPL like Bournemouth and West Ham have lots of cash to spend. There's competition for great players from those that we seek to be like and there's competition from the dregs of the league we don't want to fall back to.
 
dudu said:
How do you feel about it?
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It all sounds totally reasonable to me. Understand the apathy, I've gone down that road myself for the most part. I see humour in how predictably bad we can be as a 'football club'.

My biggest issue is how unjust the system and our owners approach can be for fans who are much more dedicated/passionate than i've become in recent years. I think ENIC described themselves as custodians of the club once, but to me the optics are more reflective of a CEO who founded a tech company and insists on full control of its direction regardless of customer feedback.

Also think there's something incredibly sad in how the commercialisation has pushed so many legacy fans who have followed the club for decades away. For example, I know people who choose not to have their children follow spurs because its overall not a nice experience relative to clubs that play to compete or even smaller clubs where you dont have success dangling in front of your nose without a realistic chance of reaching it and also don't have fans all over the country digging you out for supporting a banter club.

Feels like a different sport these day as a spurs fan. There's nothing glorious about it.
 
Art Vandelay said:
Let's say Ange is hellbent on Kimmich as an example. Contract winding down etc.
We offer a massive sign on bonus and Levy agrees to 300k p/w basic wages. Anyone here think he'd come here?

You can substitute his name with many other top line players and ask the same question if you like.
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As a one off gimmick, no. As a consistent strategy to confirm ambition as potentially the best club in London, yes.
 
Dark Shadow said:
I hate agreeing with Rich but can't find his post to reply to so what is going on as we stand proves Levy's shit MO continues.
Gomes will soon be out of contract so cheap
Dibley will not be cheap but he is very young
Both good examples of the way he works.
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Dibling looks expensive but if he's a success he's incredibly cheap stretching across an 8 to 10 year career at the club before a sale to real madrid
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
We do indeed , however have we reduced salary costs yes . We already were lower than any other big club on salaries . Let’s see if we even get back to a salary total comparable to when Kane was here , I personally doubt it
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Yes we reduced our overall wages by selling or letting go players on huge wages that weren't playing.

Would you rather we kept Ndombele and Perisic on the books?

We have also increased wages for a number of our players the last couple of years - the ones we play and want to keep happy.

I believe we will continue to bring in players and our wage bill will increase over the next 2-3 years back up to and above where we were before Kane left.
 
Art Vandelay said:
I know that. It was a purely theoretical exercise.
Trying to illustrate that IMO having the room to increase wages massively means not that much if we can't put it to good use.

For example I wouldn't want to pay 200k a week for a Romero level defender. I'd be hoping we chase someone that's a little better. So that we have that player then Romero and VDV as top defenders. Similarly I wouldn't want to offer 250k a week for a Bentancur level midfielder, I'd be hoping for a DM in the same class as Rodri. If all we're doing is luring a Casemiro type player that used to be great at a giant club but now just wants a big pay day then why bother doing what United are doing?

I personally don't think we have the stature as a club that we did in the 80s-early 90s to convince top top talent to join us over other bigger clubs, and our ownership under Sugar meant we missed the boat that was the wealth expansion at the beginning of the premier league.

The consequence being that the quest to be a part of that top echelon is ever so much harder now that even the tiny clubs in the EPL like Bournemouth and West Ham have lots of cash to spend. There's competition for great players from those that we seek to be like and there's competition from the dregs of the league we don't want to fall back to.
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Jorginho is a good example, shrewd experienced signing has had some cracking games but at a high weekly cost
 
Lt Dan, sorry, Daniel Levy right now

Angry Forrest Gump GIF
 
Would be an amusing protest if everyone began haggling like crazy for absolutely everything Levy sells (or is sold on his premises). Eg ask for an upside down pint… pint is poured (from the bottom !!)… and then commence 15 minutes of negotiations …£4.60 plus a 20p add on if I don’t go to the toilet in the next hour etc

Then walk away leaving the pint poured …
 
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