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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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SpiderSpurs said:
A tourist who will spend a fortune in the club shop on shirts and other shite. They will also eat and drink in the stadium, spending loads more money.

Your plan has a huge flaw!
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I think disengaging in terms of brass currency is the better strategy, as only financial engagement really matters to ENIC - fan protests won't go anywhere unless the match day fans really turn up the heat on Danny boy himself.

As for the other point: our tourist/casual fans might get bored and leave when Sonny is eventually forced out the team. Mass season ticket non-renewal would at least pose a challenge for the ownership. Then there's the question of where you stand individually - personally I won't be going to (m)any more games until Ange and/or Levy leave.
 
HampshireSpur said:
Agree.

Wind back to the early '90s and we'd won the FA cup more than anyone. Had a decent trophy record in Europe too. We were always iffy in the league, only two titles in our history. But we were known as a very successful cup team, we weren't a small club. The way some go on we were absolute nobodies and Levy and co came in and made us. The '90s were mostly shite but ironically we won more trophies in that period than we have since!

What we're seeing since - especially in the last six or seven years specifically - is a totally different animal.
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Right but you have to accept that in the 80's and 90's especially - the FA cup was a completely different beast - there was an entire day dedicated to the final on TV.... it was a crown jewel at the end of the season and the romance about it was palpable. Everyone watched the final.

Nowadays - the top 4 race is considered more important. I put that blame solely on SKY and the PL for devaluing the cups..... especially the League Cup - Prem league games often take place on the same weekend as it..... it's not a serious trophy - id love to win it, but no one values it above finishing top 4.

No one values the FA cup over finishing top 4 either - IMHO. Do you know any United fans who saw last season as a success?

If we won the FA Cup but finished 10th would you see it as a successful season?

Managers can get sacked despite winning FA cups, but a manager ain't getting sacked if they finish in a CL place.

We used to prioritise the cup because we were not a great league team and for us that was a basket we could put our eggs into without having to worry about finishing in a high position in the league.

And let's be honest - in the 90s, we were relative nobodies - most seasons were like this one for us back then. We did win two cups - ill grant you that - but we also finished 10th and 11th in those seasons - no way with current team expectations would most people on here be ok with that in 2025

90/91 - 10th
91/92 - 15th
92/93 - 8th
93/94 - 15th
94/95 - 7th
95/96 - 8th
96/97 -14th
98/99 - 11th
99/00 - 10th
 
HampshireSpur said:
I think disengaging in terms of brass currency is the better strategy, as only financial engagement really matters to ENIC
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You mean not using the facilities in the stadium (which I don't) or not turning up at all, waste of money for ST holders?

HampshireSpur said:
- fan protests won't go anywhere unless the match day fans really turn up the heat on Danny boy himself.
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The media is picking up on the protests, the heat is being turned up, slowly but turned up nonetheless.

HampshireSpur said:
As for the other point: our tourist/casual fans might get bored and leave when Sonny is eventually forced out the team.
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Will take years - he'll get an ambassador role.

HampshireSpur said:
Mass season ticket non-renewal would at least pose a challenge for the ownership.
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Been going since 1977, you really think that I or others like me should give up their STs? Do you think that's likely?

HampshireSpur said:
Then there's the question of where you stand individually - personally I won't be going to (m)any more games until Ange and/or Levy leave.
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Fair play to you.
 
Furball man said:
You have to respect the people doing the sit in after the game , I’m sure it will be peaceful as they’ve made clear but you just know that the club won’t be happy especially as it’s a televised game.
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The stewards will already have been briefed to stop anyone trying to get to the south stand (more specifically the Sth stand seats) from around the 75th minute or so I would imagine.
 
dudu said:
Right but you have to accept that in the 80's and 90's especially - the FA cup was a completely different beast - there was an entire day dedicated to the final on TV.... it was a crown jewel at the end of the season and the romance about it was palpable. Everyone watched the final.

Nowadays - the top 4 race is considered more important. I put that blame solely on SKY and the PL for devaluing the cups..... especially the League Cup - Prem league games often take place on the same weekend as it..... it's not a serious trophy - id love to win it, but no one values it above finishing top 4.

No one values the FA cup over finishing top 4 either - IMHO. Do you know any United fans who saw last season as a success?

If we won the FA Cup but finished 10th would you see it as a successful season?

Managers can get sacked despite winning FA cups, but a manager ain't getting sacked if they finish in a CL place.

We used to prioritise the cup because we were not a great league team and for us that was a basket we could put our eggs into without having to worry about finishing in a high position in the league.

And let's be honest - in the 90s, we were relative nobodies - most seasons were like this one for us back then. We did win two cups - ill grant you that - but we also finished 10th and 11th in those seasons - no way with current team expectations would most people on here be ok with that in 2025

90/91 - 10th
91/92 - 15th
92/93 - 8th
93/94 - 15th
94/95 - 7th
95/96 - 8th
96/97 -14th
98/99 - 11th
99/00 - 10th
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Agree with much of this but I place a little more emphasis on winning stuff, even the more minor domestic pots. Basically I think we're not in a position to turn up our noses at ANY silverware - heck, I'd even accept a conference league win (as long as we don't call ourselves 'champions of Europe' like West Ham did, lol).

To the nub of your points - the obvious answer for me to league vs cups is a bit of both, if we can have that: the odd cup win and getting into/around the top four. I know our own history over the past 30-40 years hasn't reflected this but they aren't mutually exclusive - how many domestic cups have City won in their recent period of dominance? I'd bet it's quite a few. I know you get interesting ones like Wigan a few years back but I'd say that's something of an exception to the rule - and yes, totally accept the League/CL are the big ones.

Just to answer one of your questions directly - if we finished say 10th and won an FA cup then yes, I'd consider that a successful season. It's an exceptional circumstance but we're so starved of silverware I'd be more than happy to accept it.

My gut feeling has been we were never good enough to win a cup this year and the less said about the league the better, and that's been shown over the last week. There's of course the possibility we get lucky with the EL, but we drew with Rangers and were made to look second rate by Galatasaray, I can't see it happening unfortunately.
 
Rebrov_Likes said:
www.theguardian.com

Daniel Levy may continue to run Spurs in potential Qatari takeover plan

Daniel Levy could be given the chance to stay on at Tottenham by a Qatari consortium seeking to buy the club
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com


Pretty vague. I understand why investors may want him to stick around, but this sounds just awful.
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It's been discussed already in here but I think that Levy staying on, at least initially, is a must for any deal to go through. Spurs is essentially Levy's inheritance from Lewis.

The question is if a new, more ambitious owner would cause Daniel to himself be more ambitious, or if a new owner would be able to actually keep him contained to just the business side?
 
ShutUpPatrik said:
It's been discussed already in here but I think that Levy staying on, at least initially, is a must for any deal to go through. Spurs is essentially Levy's inheritance from Lewis.

The question is if a new, more ambitious owner would cause Daniel to himself be more ambitious, or if a new owner would be able to actually keep him contained to just the business side?
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Yeah, i think the Chelsea experience shows that just dumping all the experience out of a club in one go can lead to instability, and of course Levy does have a wealth of experience and contacts in the football world, for better and for worse. The devil’s in the detail here. If a new ownership gave him the remit of sporting success it could be interesting. If they simply want him to grow their investment it could just be more of the same shite.
 
Rebrov_Likes said:
www.theguardian.com

Daniel Levy may continue to run Spurs in potential Qatari takeover plan

Daniel Levy could be given the chance to stay on at Tottenham by a Qatari consortium seeking to buy the club
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com


Pretty vague. I understand why investors may want him to stick around, but this sounds just awful.
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Why would they want him around ? Investors in the whole infrastructure may but investors solely in the football probably wouldn’t . They’d want a say in things otherwise why would they invest .
 
Furball man said:
Why would they want him around ? Investors in the whole infrastructure may but investors solely in the football probably wouldn’t . They’d want a say in things otherwise why would they invest .
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I guess that they want Levy around for some consistency and because of his contact network in the league.

The article says that the proposal is a phased buy out, with Levy being given a contract to stay on as executive chairman (so essentially no longer a owner but a employee). And I guess that once ENIC are fully out of the picture Levy might go as well with a nice severance package. But that's me guessing.
 
Rebrov_Likes said:
www.theguardian.com

Daniel Levy may continue to run Spurs in potential Qatari takeover plan

Daniel Levy could be given the chance to stay on at Tottenham by a Qatari consortium seeking to buy the club
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com


Pretty vague. I understand why investors may want him to stick around, but this sounds just awful.
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Finding we are getting bought out ........ but they want to keep Levy in charge
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