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Agree that we have relied on special players to helps us punch to the next level. Eriksen, Kane and Bale were exceptional talents.

I'd argue that a defender can be classed as a match winner. For instance, Cialini, Ramos, Terry. But Romero would need to show a lot more desire to aspire to those levels.

I'm not sure Spurs would realistically be able to sign any established elite talent. Spurs just simply aren't a big club (Money Yes, recognition No). A player signing for Spurs has likely exhausted options at around a dozen more desirable clubs.
I've come across this argument before, people saying 'we aren't big enough to sign big players'. Firstly, history says otherwise & Secondly, the biggest hurdle of making us 'attractive' to 'big' players is our wage-to-profit ratio.
 
Hi bus-conductor bus-conductor , I’m angry about many things about Tottenham under Levy, some of which you have posted and some of which others have posted.

I’m currently liking Aphex ’s posts on this, I just have little time to post a lot here, so resort to digs sometimes.

I, also, in no way wish to criticise those who still like Levy/ENIC. I’ve just decided that I’m Levy/ENIC out, there’s little I can do and I’m not going back to Levy/ENIC in.

For my part, I have no problem with ENIC outers, if we could find a better owner (whatever that looks like) I’m with them, and I am definitely a “Levy needs to step away from the fucking football” because he’s continually made poor choices that impact the footballing side. And criticising the wage/revenue ratio is fair.

But criticising Levy for creating large revenue streams that benefit the football club is fucking idiotic. Accusing him of prioritising those over football is also daft. The constant allegation that he is pocketing money that should be the clubs is also daft, you can see that the only thing he takes is a salary, a salary that is smaller than most of his first team squad and his head coach. His big payday comes when he sells the club.
 
After re-reading the first part of the statement I think he has already made his decision to sack Postecoglou.
Oh that decision has definitely already been made. The question now is if Ange makes it to the end of the season or not.

Levy may not prioritise of value silverware. But he does care about finishing as high up in the league table as possible and even he knows that this season has been a disaster in that regard.
 
I've come across this argument before, people saying 'we aren't big enough to sign big players'. Firstly, history says otherwise & Secondly, the biggest hurdle of making us 'attractive' to 'big' players is our wage-to-profit ratio.
I mean, none of our "special players" in the Levy era have been particularly pricy in terms of fees. Kane and Bale were developed in house (Bale bought dirt cheap from Southampton), Eriksen was bought for 11 million. Rafa for roughly 8.

Our big buys since the turn of the millennium sadly have more of a tendency to flop like Ndombele, Gio and Richarlison. But we do have a bit of a knack for developing special players every now and then.
 
For my part, I have no problem with ENIC outers, if we could find a better owner (whatever that looks like) I’m with them, and I am definitely a “Levy needs to step away from the fucking football” because he’s continually made poor choices that impact the footballing side. And criticising the wage/revenue ratio is fair.

But criticising Levy for creating large revenue streams that benefit the football club is fucking idiotic. Accusing him of prioritising those over football is also daft. The constant allegation that he is pocketing money that should be the clubs is also daft, you can see that the only thing he takes is a salary, a salary that is smaller than most of his first team squad and his head coach. His big payday comes when he sells the club.
you can see that the only thing he takes is a salary, a salary that is smaller than most of his first team squad and his head coach.
But the salary Levy takes has made him the best paid chairman in the Premier League, over 23 years, while he has delivered one League Cup. Surely, as a supporter of the club that should be all that matters to you? Levy is a failure as chairman of a football club that used to win trophies. Then there are his bonus payments, for failure, and the fact he cannot be removed.
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I've come across this argument before, people saying 'we aren't big enough to sign big players'. Firstly, history says otherwise & Secondly, the biggest hurdle of making us 'attractive' to 'big' players is our wage-to-profit ratio.
No the biggest hurdle to making us attractive is our lack of trophies. Kane did not leave for money, he was offered more. He left because he wanted to win trophies. Now this season for the first time in years we have a Manager prioritising trophies. It is for that reason I support Ange staying to the end of the season. All the teams left in the Europa are beatable certainly more so than Chelsea or Liverpool away. We will have to play better & have some luck ( like our CL run to the final) to win the Europa but whether we win it or not we simply cannot go back to chasing the top 4 trophy and not care about trophies or we will never become attractive to big players.

Yes I do blame Levy for the lack of trophies as he sets the targets and PL position has clearly been more important than trophies.
 
Agree that we have relied on special players to helps us punch to the next level. Eriksen, Kane and Bale were exceptional talents.

I'd argue that a defender can be classed as a match winner. For instance, Cialini, Ramos, Terry. But Romero would need to show a lot more desire to aspire to those levels.

I'm not sure Spurs would realistically be able to sign any established elite talent. Spurs just simply aren't a big club (Money Yes, recognition No). A player signing for Spurs has likely exhausted options at around a dozen more desirable clubs.
What's a Cialini???
Do you mean Giorgio Chiellini?
 
For my part, I have no problem with ENIC outers, if we could find a better owner (whatever that looks like) I’m with them, and I am definitely a “Levy needs to step away from the fucking football” because he’s continually made poor choices that impact the footballing side. And criticising the wage/revenue ratio is fair.

But criticising Levy for creating large revenue streams that benefit the football club is fucking idiotic. Accusing him of prioritising those over football is also daft. The constant allegation that he is pocketing money that should be the clubs is also daft, you can see that the only thing he takes is a salary, a salary that is smaller than most of his first team squad and his head coach. His big payday comes when he sells the club.
I’m not going to repeat Kosher Kid Kosher Kid ’s post, as it says what I think and a lot of posters think.

The biggest revenue stream is surely the football club and its success, right? Winning the League or Champions League (fanciful as that sounds) would surely make more money?

I’m a fan of Tottenham Hotspur. For me, winning is everything.
 
It truly baffles me that there are so many posters on this thread, and the Ange ones, that seem obsessed by what other posters think. How do you all find the time or energy to give a fuck?

I’ve always had time for ENIC Out posters when I was ENIC In. Not for them all. The ones who continually post lies and bullshit don’t get a pass, but the others, with actual gripes? Crack on. Why would I care what a stranger thinks? Why do you?

Most of the posters still ENIC In on here either don’t post regularly, don’t post in this thread anymore, maybe can’t be arsed changing their votes, or maybe don’t want to be the subject of a pile on if they try to be positive. It’s happening on the main Ange thread, with harry7 being positive and getting a kicking. I like a wee bit of positivity in these dark days - a marked improvement on the constant “fat cunt”, the hilarious “has he gone yet?” and the persistent “anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot” stuff that everyone else posts.

Not one poster on here knows everything about the game or the club, yet many post as if they are the fount of all knowledge. Maybe we respect one another’s opinions more and have a more enjoyable forum?
It’s the ENIC thread mate , I won’t be losing sleep over peoples opinions though . My post was in response to JT saying that some were intransigent and were defending ENIC out of bloody mindedness. I was articulating , perhaps badly that I really don’t get why people are so reluctant to admit they got something wrong . I was not even specific to purely ENIC, I basically said people get things wrong all the time in life. I just think it strange to be unable to say I got that wrong . As I said I definitely called it wrong for way too long on Ange . I just think defending him once I had reached the conclusion he was not up to it would be really odd behaviour

Anyway always enjoy my debates with you on here , as I have this one
 
No the biggest hurdle to making us attractive is our lack of trophies. Kane did not leave for money, he was offered more. He left because he wanted to win trophies. Now this season for the first time in years we have a Manager prioritising trophies. It is for that reason I support Ange staying to the end of the season. All the teams left in the Europa are beatable certainly more so than Chelsea or Liverpool away. We will have to play better & have some luck ( like our CL run to the final) to win the Europa but whether we win it or not we simply cannot go back to chasing the top 4 trophy and not care about trophies or we will never become attractive to big players.

Yes I do blame Levy for the lack of trophies as he sets the targets and PL position has clearly been more important than trophies.
I understand the lack of Trophies argument as well but that hasn't stopped other teams like Newcastle, Bournemouth or Villa etc getting players.

I know Newcastle just won one which will make them more attractive.
 
I understand the lack of Trophies argument as well but that hasn't stopped other teams like Newcastle, Bournemouth or Villa etc getting players.

I know Newcastle just won one which will make them more attractive.
Wages are definitely hampering us.

Rewind 10-15 years were wages were more manageable, and we could swoop in for Rafa Van Der Vaart and give him an exit from Madrid. Or even Lucas from PSG for that matter. Now, salaries at the super clubs are so gigantic that we are automatically priced out because Levy refuses to even entertain them.

Picking up unwanted players from super clubs would be a good way for us to add some experienced players to bolster our developing youngsters. But that's not going to happen anymore. We're not going to be in for Grealish in the summer for example because Levy is just not going to be interested in picking up his salary.
 
Exactly and with the hope of getting a top manager in he publically states that there will not be much money to spend. Clever man.
Yeah but to play devil's advocate it's probably not a good idea to tell everyone you've got loads of money to spend if you do have it.

I personally think we will spend similar to the last couple of seasons although will probably recoup some with sales of Romero Biss/Bentancur etc
 

I didn't know where to post this thought, this is a good a place as any - did anyone else think that if we had celebrated a League Cup win to this extent, we would have been mocked endlessly over winning a 'Mickey Mouse' trophy?
Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have gone to Wembley and paraded the Cup around North London - been far too long since we celebrated like that.
Good luck to Newcastle, I say, rather them than the scousers, who would have taken it for granted.
 
For my part, I have no problem with ENIC outers, if we could find a better owner (whatever that looks like) I’m with them, and I am definitely a “Levy needs to step away from the fucking football” because he’s continually made poor choices that impact the footballing side. And criticising the wage/revenue ratio is fair.

But criticising Levy for creating large revenue streams that benefit the football club is fucking idiotic. Accusing him of prioritising those over football is also daft. The constant allegation that he is pocketing money that should be the clubs is also daft, you can see that the only thing he takes is a salary, a salary that is smaller than most of his first team squad and his head coach. His big payday comes when he sells the club.
Which has a higher value if he generates higher income and reduces overheads . He is running the club in my view to maximise its sale value, so he is taking money out but on a deferred basis . I know this is technically what you are saying , but he is extracting a higher valuation now , as in today at the expense of the team . Whether he overvalues it and still doesn’t sell this year or next is irrelevant to me . The club is a revenue up so valuation up whilst based on an expenses down model, that is how I see it .
 
I didn't know where to post this thought, this is a good a place as any - did anyone else think that if we had celebrated a League Cup win to this extent, we would have been mocked endlessly over winning a 'Mickey Mouse' trophy?
Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have gone to Wembley and paraded the Cup around North London - been far too long since we celebrated like that.
Good luck to Newcastle, I say, rather them than the scousers, who would have taken it for granted.
Oh we would definitely have been mocked for it a bit more than Newcastle.
 
I didn't know where to post this thought, this is a good a place as any - did anyone else think that if we had celebrated a League Cup win to this extent, we would have been mocked endlessly over winning a 'Mickey Mouse' trophy?
Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have gone to Wembley and paraded the Cup around North London - been far too long since we celebrated like that.
Good luck to Newcastle, I say, rather them than the scousers, who would have taken it for granted.
Yes. Of course they would.

Then I’d remind them that when asked something along these lines, Rio Ferdinand said, “a trophy is a trophy…” even though Ferguson was still managing Manchester United at the time.
 
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