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AberdeenYid said:
Try to find a top club in which the football team owns the stadium.

The Liverpool Football Club & Athletics Ground (subsidiary of Fenway) own Anfield.
Manchester United Limited (subsidiary of Manchester United PLC) own Old Trafford.
Chelsea Pitch Owners own Stamford Bridge.
Manchester City Council own The Etihad.
Greater London Authority Holdings Limited own whatever the fuck West Ham’s dump is calling itself this week.
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I assume Caldecott and/or Levy have done it for a reason, but they seem to have register a new Ltd company to manage the toasters and kettles each time a new one is bought.

You can only assume that it is some kind of complex but common way to be more efficient with taxes and accounting, due to how fragile football related stuff can be mixed up with other revenue streams (for FFP calcs and stuff like that)


Worth noting that Villa sold their stadium in an iffy way to skirt around FFP and are right back in the mire. Running out of crap to flog
 
CJJ said:
I assume Caldecott and/or Levy have done it for a reason, but they seem to have register a new Ltd company to manage the toasters and kettles each time a new one is bought.

You can only assume that it is some kind of complex but common way to be more efficient with taxes and accounting, due
to how fragile football related stuff can be mixed up with other revenue streams (for FFP calcs and stuff like that)


Worth noting that Villa sold their stadium in an iffy way to skirt around FFP and are right back in the mire. Running out of crap to flog
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We are a confusingly set up system of businesses. More so than other clubs of a similar size. One can only assume, as you say, it’s a tax thing.
 
AberdeenYid said:
We are a confusingly set up system of businesses. More so than other clubs of a similar size. One can only assume, as you say, it’s a tax thing.
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I think with a lot of the land and stadium stuff that it protects the club against losses. We bought the cranes, for example, and then sold them later - but the shell company would have taken the hit on that to avoid the "football club" having to.
Don't know how it all works, but it isn't just football clubs - had plenty of employers doing weird shit to be able to move assets around, like old IT equipment, company cars etc.
I don't know if it's related, but I heard that if a company folds within 21 months then it doesn't need to file annual reports or something. I expect someone far more qualified would know.
 
Shadydan said:
Another myth though isn't it, the old ground has it's moments and got loud especially when the team were doing well but the best atmosphere we've had in the new ground was when we beat Woolwich 3-0 to pip them to a Champions League spot.

Once again the reason why the new stadium hasn't been as loud is because for the most part we've had barely anything to get behind, fleeting moments under Conte in his first season and the first 2-3 months of Ange, since then it's been poor...this is nothing to do with the stadium and everything to do with team performance and fan connection.

Let's not act like the old WHL was always loud, there was plenty of times we had to sit through AVB ball bored out of our tits because the football was dead and there was nothing to get behind.
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What myth? The fact I posted the OWHL could be intimidating to opposition when it wanted to be? That's not a myth mate it is a fact. How do I know, because I was there innit?

How does that suggest the OWHL was always loud? For the record I have in the past been fairly critical of the atmosphere at games, whether it be the old or the new ground and btw the AVB era is nowhere near as bad a period you could have quoted. The 3-0 against the Scum was a stadium bouncing night agreed but to excuse poor support for poor performance is a cop out.

Lest we forget OWHL is simply a latter day terminology for the new construct which goes by the name of the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium which 60k of us instead of 30k.
 
OK..... so well done to us for somehow winning that Trophy..... but, since then the chairman has been left behind in getting the new players into the club that we so clearly need to compete in the premier league.... it seems to me that once again the slow actions and lack of forsight is holding back our desperate need.... if our chairman thinks ...well we won a trophy with this bunch so why do we need to change it.... we will be as good as we were last season..... as far as i can see it most of the best top players have already been snapped up by other teams.... I dont understand how our chairman can see what Liverpool have done to strengthen their team....and they won the bloody thing.... I am pleased with the appointment of Frank... I just hope we dont ruin another decent manager.
 
citizenabel said:
What myth? The fact I posted the OWHL could be intimidating to opposition when it wanted to be? That's not a myth mate it is a fact. How do I know, because I was there innit?

How does that suggest the OWHL was always loud? For the record I have in the past been fairly critical of the atmosphere at games, whether it be the old or the new ground and btw the AVB era is nowhere near as bad a period you could have quoted. The 3-0 against the Scum was a stadium bouncing night agreed but to excuse poor support for poor performance is a cop out.

Lest we forget OWHL is simply a latter day terminology for the new construct which goes by the name of the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium which 60k of us instead of 30k.
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Yeah my bad, I said a load of stuff you never actually said and got carried away and went off on a tangent :D

But onto the point about the atmosphere being bad when the team is playing poorly, I mean that's not an excuse, it's fact. Fans are normally loud when they have a connection to the team. The fans have made that stadium a fortress in the 2nd half of the 1st Conte season and only really the first few months of Ange, struggling to think of many other times the stadium has been loud and that's mainly because there's generally been a divide between the team and the fans.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Try to find a top club in which the football team owns the stadium.

The Liverpool Football Club & Athletics Ground (subsidiary of Fenway) own Anfield.
Manchester United Limited (subsidiary of Manchester United PLC) own Old Trafford.
Chelsea Pitch Owners own Stamford Bridge.
Manchester City Council own The Etihad.
Greater London Authority Holdings Limited own whatever the fuck West Ham’s dump is calling itself this week.
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There has to be some corporate reason that the club as a whole is split in different companies , they are not separate companies but subsideries of THL , the mens team, womens team , training ground and stadium all have their own accounts at companies house under various names but all come under the control off TH Limited. I swear that some people think that the stadium company is going to turn round one day and say Oh by the way we are not going to stage football matches anymore only Beyonce , Lady Ga Ga and NFL :)

PS Brief explanation one reason why companies split into subsidiary companies.

A parent company can substantially reduce tax liability through deductions allowed by the state. For parent companies with multiple subsidiaries, the income liability from gains made by one sub can often be offset by losses in another.
 
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Shadydan said:
Yeah my bad, I said a load of stuff you never actually said and got carried away and went off on a tangent :D

But onto the point about the atmosphere being bad when the team is playing poorly, I mean that's not an excuse, it's fact. Fans are normally loud when they have a connection to the team. The fans have made that stadium a fortress in the 2nd half of the 1st Conte season and only really the first few months of Ange, struggling to think of many other times the stadium has been loud and that's mainly because there's generally been a divide between the team and the fans.
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Depends on your POV I guess...it is true to say one begets the other but we do wear the chicken badge and does it necessarily come before the egg?

Despite sometimes voicing my displeasure during games I never boo our team yet never begrudge those who feel the need to do so, after all I didn't pay their entrance fee and it's up to them how they wish express their feelings.

I certainly don't blame fans for reacting the way they do when we play shit it's a perfectly natural human way of behaving. Doesn't alter the fact the resulting support is pi$$ poor though....merely explains the reason why the atmosphere is so detached.

We could look at the other end of the spectrum I suppose.....e g. the Palace lot would probably keep on singing 'glad all over' even if their team was being moved down by a GPMG .
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
So getting in new players for pre season is overrated, Liverpool will be sacking Slot and City sacking Pep imminently for being fools

New manager , new style of play , let’s give him any signings 3 games in to the season

Let’s wait for Levytime 😀😀
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First game of pre-season is over a month away.

It isn't even end of the current season until Monday ffs
 
Someone makes a 'critical' post after the thread is idle for 24 hours......and within minutes CJJ CJJ homes in like a cruise missile to defend his man with more excuses 😆

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Tottenham Massive said:
Someone makes a 'critical' post after the thread is idle for 24 hours......and within minutes CJJ CJJ homes in like a cruise missile to defend his man with more excuses 😆

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You realise that it was PatagoniaPhil PatagoniaPhil that resurrected the dormant thread to criticise my post?


You're like the king of own goals, aren't you? :mourglasses:
 
CJJ said:
We've already signed some players - you just have some weird lust for what other clubs are doing
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It’s not about just the action of signing players. We could have signed 20 players but if you’re just clogging the squad up with average, it’s actually worse. It’s about improving on talent level.

Let’s be real if Utd signed Tel and Danso and we got Cunha and Mbeumo I wouldn’t be worried about what they’re doing.
 
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