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AberdeenYid said:
Do you really think that a post ending with “time to move on” is supportive of the ownership? Are you ok?

Also, I agree fully that the wages are the thing that’s holding us back. But it’s not the ratio compared to our revenue. If we had a revenue of £4b, would you be expecting us to spend 60% of that on wages? You probably would, I suppose, but anyone else wouldn’t.

Wages should be taken into account on a £ note figure, not a percentage of something else. Fucking lunatic fringe stuff that’s popular with nerds on X.
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That's such a strawman argument. If we spent £2bn a year on wages, we could have any super star we wanted as we could pay 25 players £1.5m a week. That's not the great rebute you thought it would.

But on our current situation, absolutely we should be paying 55-60% of revenue on wages. I'm not saying do what Villa are doing, but there's a vast middle ground.

We have 4 players on over £100k a week, 5 years ago we probably had double that. We're going backwards, everyone else is going forward.

This isn't sustainable to bringing success, same as spending all your revenue on wages isn't. Liverpool aren't a million miles ahead us financially, yet they can offer big wages, pay big transfer fees. But that's "not sustainable" right?

There's absolutely no ambition here. We're just trying to unearth the next £100m player by throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. All that money spent and we have a ridiculously poor assembled squad. You or I could better it seems, as everyone can see the issues and they're not being addressed, and if they are, not sufficiently. Instead of signing these 3 players for the price of one transformative player, we should just sign the one transformative player.

We're moving backwards, it's indefensible.
 
Papafeels said:
That's such a strawman argument. If we spent £2bn a year on wages, we could have any super star we wanted as we could pay 25 players £1.5m a week. That's not the great rebute you thought it would.

But on our current situation, absolutely we should be paying 55-60% of revenue on wages. I'm not saying do what Villa are doing, but there's a vast middle ground.

We have 4 players on over £100k a week, 5 years ago we probably had double that. We're going backwards, everyone else is going forward.

This isn't sustainable to bringing success, same as spending all your revenue on wages isn't. Liverpool aren't a million miles ahead us financially, yet they can offer big wages, pay big transfer fees. But that's "not sustainable" right?

There's absolutely no ambition here. We're just trying to unearth the next £100m player by throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. All that money spent and we have a ridiculously poor assembled squad. You or I could better it seems, as everyone can see the issues and they're not being addressed, and if they are, not sufficiently. Instead of signing these 3 players for the price of one transformative player, we should just sign the one transformative player.

We're moving backwards, it's indefensible.
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At this football club the focus isn't on tbe football side of the business.
Bizarre I know but, it just isn't, they just do enough to keep it within the safe zone of the league.
 
Papafeels said:
That's such a strawman argument. If we spent £2bn a year on wages, we could have any super star we wanted as we could pay 25 players £1.5m a week. That's not the great rebute you thought it would.

But on our current situation, absolutely we should be paying 55-60% of revenue on wages. I'm not saying do what Villa are doing, but there's a vast middle ground.

We have 4 players on over £100k a week, 5 years ago we probably had double that. We're going backwards, everyone else is going forward.

This isn't sustainable to bringing success, same as spending all your revenue on wages isn't. Liverpool aren't a million miles ahead us financially, yet they can offer big wages, pay big transfer fees. But that's "not sustainable" right?

There's absolutely no ambition here. We're just trying to unearth the next £100m player by throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. All that money spent and we have a ridiculously poor assembled squad. You or I could better it seems, as everyone can see the issues and they're not being addressed, and if they are, not sufficiently. Instead of signing these 3 players for the price of one transformative player, we should just sign the one transformative player.

We're moving backwards, it's indefensible.
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So you think we should spend more on wages?

So do I.

You think it’s important that this expenditure tallies against another figure on our books.

I don’t.

Let’s suggest we have a squad full of excellent players on £300k per week, I wouldn’t care what percentage that was of our revenue. You would. That’s all we are talking about here.

It’s fine if you think that, I just don’t think it matters.
 
skywalker68 said:
At this football club the focus isn't on tbe football side of the business.
Bizarre I know but, it just isn't, they just do enough to keep it within the safe zone of the league.
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Oh, I'm very aware.

I used to hope things would change, I was foolish enough to buy into all the outside investment, Levy taking a step back, Lewis's "fixer" coming in, Vinai in charge of the football stuff etc etc but I'm done with it now. They'll never change. No point getting hopes up. If mediocrity is what to expect them it's not so bad when it happens.
 
Papafeels said:
Oh, I'm very aware.

I used to hope things would change, I was foolish enough to buy into all the outside investment, Levy taking a step back, Lewis's "fixer" coming in, Vinai in charge of the football stuff etc etc but I'm done with it now. They'll never change. No point getting hopes up. If mediocrity is what to expect them it's not so bad when it happens.
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Never let them lower your standards mate.

That's EXACTLY what they want
 
Papafeels said:
Oh, I'm very aware.

I used to hope things would change, I was foolish enough to buy into all the outside investment, Levy taking a step back, Lewis's "fixer" coming in, Vinai in charge of the football stuff etc etc but I'm done with it now. They'll never change. No point getting hopes up. If mediocrity is what to expect them it's not so bad when it happens.
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I gave up on them over 10 years ago, I saw them for what they are.
Nothing will change until they go, Vinai will not make any difference to anything.
Our approach to transfer dealings are comical, bumbling along until an opportunity drops in their laps they deserve nothing.
 
skywalker68 said:
I gave up on them over 10 years ago, I saw them for what they are.
Nothing will change until they go, Vinai will not make any difference to anything.
Our approach to transfer dealings are comical, bumbling along until an opportunity drops in their laps they deserve nothing.
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Oh I've wanted them gone as long as I can remember. I just thought maybe, maybe things would change this year with the amount of noise coming out at the start of the summer. I was a fool to even half take it seriously, but here we are. Now I'm firmly dug in, until either they A. Leave, or B. Change their ways (not happening I know, but if they actually do behave appropriately, then I'd be willing to see how they can go).
 
Papafeels said:
Oh I've wanted them gone as long as I can remember. I just thought maybe, maybe things would change this year with the amount of noise coming out at the start of the summer. I was a fool to even half take it seriously, but here we are. Now I'm firmly dug in, until either they A. Leave, or B. Change their ways (not happening I know, but if they actually do behave appropriately, then I'd be willing to see how they can go).
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No mate you are no fool, you're a passionate fan who wants the club to be successful.
That is the same as what most of us want, I'm just desensitised to it now, yes I was happy about the EL win who wasn't, but I saw it for what it was a one off flash in tbe pan.
 
If Frank somehow negotiates the next couple of years and improves our league form to the top 6 of the table even it will be a fucking miracle with what hes been given.
Bilbao is a distant memory.
 
Is there any other club where the fans can go from the high of a EL Cup victory to the despondency of knowing they are going to be in a relegation scrap is such a short space of time?

I'm already regretting buying a Burnley ticket.
 
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