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TomHotspur said:
The fact he was removed gives him immunity from a lot of the criticism which is absolutely sickening. The last thing we should be doing is peddling a narrative of “oh this would never happen under Daniel’s watch.”
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It's crazy isn't it.
Like a chef preparing a meal and using mouldy, festering ingredients then leaving the gaffe before the diners tuck in.
Everybody falls ill but clears the chef of any blame because he wasn't there when they ate it.
 
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TomHotspur said:
Mate, I absolutely guarantee you we would be in the exact same position if that cunt was still here.

99% of the people at the club this season that are culpable for where we are, were employed by Daniel Levy. Vinai, Lange, Frank, the vast majority of the players, all brought in under Levy’s watch.

This isn’t something that just happened this season, this has been coming for a long, long time, and Daniel Levy is just as responsible as anyone for it.

The fact he was removed gives him immunity from a lot of the criticism which is absolutely sickening. The last thing we should be doing is peddling a narrative of “oh this would never happen under Daniel’s watch.”
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The decline has been happening for a long time, and we’ll never know for sure, but based on past experience I think Frank would have gone far sooner, we’d have got an interim with prem experience and we’d have very likely invested in the January window.

Those three decisions are very much on the current incumbents rather than Levy.

They had the opportunity to influence this in a positive manner and they sat on their hands.
 
Harrier said:
The decline has been happening for a long time, and we’ll never know for sure, but based on past experience I think Frank would have gone far sooner, we’d have got an interim with prem experience and we’d have very likely invested in the January window.

Those three decisions are very much on the current incumbents rather than Levy.

They had the opportunity to influence this in a positive manner and they sat on their hands.
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What past experience are you basing that on though?

Because if we look at the most recent “past experience” we need look no further than last season, when Levy left us drifting under Postecoglou despite the fact that we were plummeting towards relegation at an alarming rate.

Get an interim with Prem experience, again when has Levy ever done that? Despite his numerous managerial gaffs when he’s needed to sack a manger mid season, I don’t ever remember him bringing in an interim with PL experience? So that’s a negative.

And do more in January? You dont honestly believe that? Again look no further than last season. Hurtling towards relegation, the manager screaming for reinforcements all January, what does he do? Danso and Tel. Literally did no more than the buffoons in charge this season did.
 
TomHotspur said:
What past experience are you basing that on though?

Because if we look at the most recent “past experience” we need look no further than last season, when Levy left us drifting under Postecoglou despite the fact that we were plummeting towards relegation at an alarming rate.

Get an interim with Prem experience, again when has Levy ever done that? Despite his numerous managerial gaffs when he’s needed to sack a manger mid season, I don’t ever remember him bringing in an interim with PL experience? So that’s a negative.

And do more in January? You dont honestly believe that? Again look no further than last season. Hurtling towards relegation, the manager screaming for reinforcements all January, what does he do? Danso and Tel. Literally did no more than the buffoons in charge this season did.
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He’s always had an itchy trigger finger with managers and Postecoglou would have been gone if we were flirting with relegation as closely as we are now.

If you take Levy out of the discussion completely, the current board have had plenty of opportunity to influence proceedings this season and they haven’t!

How can you ignore that?!
 
Tottenham Massive said:
It's crazy isn't it.
Like a chef preparing a meal and using mouldy, festering ingredients then leaving the gaffe before the diners tuck in.
Everybody falls ill but clears the chef of any blame because he wasn't there when they ate it.
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That's like blaming Gordon Ramsay for those basket-case restaurants failing after he's given them a complete makeover, a PR revamp, and a brand new menu.

I know you're obsessed with the man (DL), but I thought you used to insist that it was never Alan Sugar's fault for turning us into a shite broke team that ENIC inherited, and the blame always went to the person running the club at the time of the failure

Yet here you are, licking the boots of "the lewis family"
 
Kaz Hirai said:
Great optics for Daniel levy, look what happens when I'm not running things.

At least that's how it will look many people outside of spurs when in facta lot of this is on him
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Most of it is on him. Companies of this size don't just pivot on a dime; it takes a long time to revamp staff and personnel for a new business plan to take shape, whereas our current position reflects years of steady deterioration under Levy's watchful eye. Levy still hired most all of these people, and they're still regurgitating the same old bullshit that they were under Levy's direction, all under the same corporate and administrative structures that Levy built up over decades.

It also possibly betrays exactly the extent to which Levy was micro-managing aspects of the club that were far, far below his remit. It was my concern for many years that the exact management and administrative structures at the club were opaque and impossible to make sense of, an issue which has carried over seamlessly amid the "dual Sporting Director" structure and all of the suggestions that we've seen (dating from Levy's time) of a Club that is plagued by decision-making arrived at through the deliberations of a committee. Decisions are habitually left to linger until they've begun to fester, at which point the effectiveness of the decisions can't be questioned or criticized because to do so would be to implicate the entire sporting structure and organization. Again, I principally blame Levy for this: the attitude is "no decision can be taken without my direct involvement unless your agreement is largely unanimous." So, instead we get the constant self-congratulations for "not panicking" or whatever other bullshit they agree upon behind closed doors to comprehensively absolve everyone of any responsibility for this absolute disaster.

Levy is the architect of Spurs' suffering. He shouldn't be spared any amount of criticism given that everyone seems to still be marching to the orders that he left behind.
 
VirginiaSpur said:
Most of it is on him. Companies of this size don't just pivot on a dime; it takes a long time to revamp staff and personnel for a new business plan to take shape, whereas our current position reflects years of steady deterioration under Levy's watchful eye. Levy still hired most all of these people, and they're still regurgitating the same old bullshit that they were under Levy's direction, all under the same corporate and administrative structures that Levy built up over decades.

It also possibly betrays exactly the extent to which Levy was micro-managing aspects of the club that were far, far below his remit. It was my concern for many years that the exact management and administrative structures at the club were opaque and impossible to make sense of, an issue which has carried over seamlessly amid the "dual Sporting Director" structure and all of the suggestions that we've seen (dating from Levy's time) of a Club that is plagued by decision-making arrived at through the deliberations of a committee. Decisions are habitually left to linger until they've begun to fester, at which point the effectiveness of the decisions can't be questioned or criticized because to do so would be to implicate the entire sporting structure and organization. Again, I principally blame Levy for this: the attitude is "no decision can be taken without my direct involvement unless your agreement is largely unanimous." So, instead we get the constant self-congratulations for "not panicking" or whatever other bullshit they agree upon behind closed doors to comprehensively absolve everyone of any responsibility for this absolute disaster.

Levy is the architect of Spurs' suffering. He shouldn't be spared any amount of criticism given that everyone seems to still be marching to the orders that he left behind.
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I don't disagree really

Lange however not purchasing anyone in Jan was crippling.

And the Gooner for not sacking Frank in October.

Both huge culprits
 
25 Years of low wages and sub standard football , it's enough to make anyone switch allegiance to another club . But a club is like nothing else in life - if you don't like the wife = ditch her and find one you do like . If you don't like where you live you can sell up and move home . But your football club is the one passion you never turn your back on . I hated the club being run by ENIC and I was a firm Levy out brigade . When Levy got pushed I thought great , now we can show some ambition . But the shocking warning signs were very clear very early . Under Levy - Thomas Frank would have been gone in October , as stubborn as Levy is - he's not an idiot . I don't think Levy would have looked at anyone that didn't have Premier League experience as the interim manager . He definitely would have invested properly in January transfer window . Who did we buy Connor Gallagher on £200k a week . Now with business sense like that , how the F%ck are these people trusted with a £3bn football club . I've supported this club for 60yrs and in all my time as a season ticket holder I've never seen the club in such a mess . The board are clowns the football brains are clueless and the squad can't play as a team . It's a simple game . A team game , you could have the best 11 players in the world , but it doesn't mean they can play as a team . That's why we have football Guru's that work out the best players to fit in your squad . Our lot couldn't find their arse with both hands . If we get relegated , which is a distinct possibility , I'll renew my season ticket . But I can't guarantee I'll keep going to all the away games . There's only so much shit an old man can take .

So you can blame Levy if it makes you feel better , but the real damage was done when they let a few foxes run the henhouse.
 
Son Spurs said:
Levy hired both men though. It all comes back to the shit systems/people he put in place.
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We didnt push on and win the league because of the financial limits imposed by ENIC. But we're in this mess and likely relegation because of Levy. You can run a reasonably solid prem club without spending like City if you're competent and to be fair we did between 2004 and 2016/17 ish.

But his hiring since has been catastrophic, Hitchin, Lange, Paratici, Mourinho, Nuno, Postecoglou, Frank. As you say terrible systems in place, no accountability, no football knowledge at board level and an obsession with the stadium and disregard for football. My biggest annoyance about our current situation is he will dodge whats coming.
 
Kevin Ball said:
25 Years of low wages and sub standard football , it's enough to make anyone switch allegiance to another club . But a club is like nothing else in life - if you don't like the wife = ditch her and find one you do like . If you don't like where you live you can sell up and move home . But your football club is the one passion you never turn your back on . I hated the club being run by ENIC and I was a firm Levy out brigade . When Levy got pushed I thought great , now we can show some ambition . But the shocking warning signs were very clear very early . Under Levy - Thomas Frank would have been gone in October , as stubborn as Levy is - he's not an idiot . I don't think Levy would have looked at anyone that didn't have Premier League experience as the interim manager . He definitely would have invested properly in January transfer window . Who did we buy Connor Gallagher on £200k a week . Now with business sense like that , how the F%ck are these people trusted with a £3bn football club . I've supported this club for 60yrs and in all my time as a season ticket holder I've never seen the club in such a mess . The board are clowns the football brains are clueless and the squad can't play as a team . It's a simple game . A team game , you could have the best 11 players in the world , but it doesn't mean they can play as a team . That's why we have football Guru's that work out the best players to fit in your squad . Our lot couldn't find their arse with both hands . If we get relegated , which is a distinct possibility , I'll renew my season ticket . But I can't guarantee I'll keep going to all the away games . There's only so much shit an old man can take .

So you can blame Levy if it makes you feel better , but the real damage was done when they let a few foxes run the henhouse.
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Who opened the gate, put a bib on the foxes, and led them into the henhouse?
 
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