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bus-conductor said:
My gut detests the idea of this thing, but my brain is finding it harder to get all apoplectic about it.

This is either the biggest bluff in the game of poker the Uber clubs have been playing with uefa for years or it’s not, but either way what we’ll end up with is a new version of the CL - which is what was happening anyway, and the Uber clubs weren’t going to let up until they got more control (and more of the money pie) over that anyway.

The premier league aren’t going to ban the clubs that generate all its revenue. The PL will continue.

And who really gives a shit if our best players aren’t playing a bunch of international games every year against San Marino and Lichtenstein and get a rest every summer.
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How dare you post in such a calm, insightful manner.

GET MELTY LIKE THE REST OF US!
 
TheRealTI said:
Despite all the criticism at the American owners, which is justified, this really was always going to happen once you started allowing people like Abramovich and Sheik Mansour to own clubs. Once the league became a play thing for billionaires to dick swing at one another, something like this was bound to happen.
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I don't agree. Abramovich and Mansour are just going along with this. 100/100 this is a Glazer/ENIC/FSG cookup. The former don't care where they play, so long as its the best and they can launder money.
 
matspur said:
Yes but the Premier League was never a closed shop as such. It made getting promoted from the championship or maintaining your position in the top league all the more desirable because of the prestige and extra revenue you would get and so maintained excitement throughout the season. How many dead rubbers is this league going to throw up? Why tune in to see Tottenham v Inter if both teams are near the bottom with no possibility of winning anything or of being relegated? There will be a few matches worth watching at the top end and a load of pointless dross from mid table downwards which will be the equivalent of friendlies.
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All good points, all true. Still there are other aspects as well.

Fans treasure their team's triumphs against the classic European teams precisely because of their rarity or "unusualness" - I'd imagine that's the same for teams with considerably more European heritage - Liverpool and United mainly - as it is for us. I have mates who are old school fans of both of these and they remember the games, the scorers, the first-leg result and so on.

It's a bit like eating in a fancy restaurant on a special occasion, it wouldn't be half so much fun or as memorable if you ate there every week, and the great experience doesn't prevent you from thoroughly enjoying a lovely shepherd's pie or other normal home-cooked fare the rest of the time.

People laughing out loud out loud out loud because we won't have to play West Ham etc. are missing that point. I want to play West Ham, we have a history of ups and downs that goes back many decades. I want to play Burnley away on a windy, rainy night and have them make life difficult for us. I want us to huff and puff in the cup against a 4th Division outfit on a bumpy pitch with a portacabin for a changing room (and see our rivals eliminated in such circumstances).
 
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bus-conductor said:
My gut detests the idea of this thing, but my brain is finding it harder to get all apoplectic about it.

This is either the biggest bluff in the game of poker the Uber clubs have been playing with uefa for years or it’s not, but either way what we’ll end up with is a new version of the CL - which is what was happening anyway, and the Uber clubs weren’t going to let up until they got more control (and more of the money pie) over that anyway.

The premier league aren’t going to ban the clubs that generate all its revenue. The PL will continue.

And who really gives a shit if our best players aren’t playing a bunch of international games every year against San Marino and Lichtenstein and get a rest every summer.
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I could get on board with it if it really was an updated version of the CL, but the absence of any promotion or relegation makes the thing so pointless.

We’ll spend the next two decades just mooching around in a lavishly paid hinterland where we get beaten in the new super league and then play meaningless matches in the PL. There is no Top 4, nothing to aspire to.

It’s just a shit sporting framework.
 
TheRealTI said:
Despite all the criticism at the American owners, which is justified, this really was always going to happen once you started allowing people like Abramovich and Sheik Mansour to own clubs. Once the league became a play thing for billionaires to dick swing at one another, something like this was bound to happen.
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I know people look back at things with rose tinted spectacles but please whisk me back to the simple days where Chas and Dave played on the pitch at half time, the peanut seller would come onto the Shelf flogging his nuts and everyone seemed much happier
 
Bill Madrid said:
All good points, all true. Still there are other aspects as well.

Fans treasure their team's triumphs against the classic European teams precisely because of their rarity or "unusualness" - I'd imagine that's the same for teams with considerably more European heritage - Liverpool and United mainly - as it is for us. I have mates who are old school fans of both of these and they remember the games, the scorers, the first-leg result and so on.

It's a bit like eating in a fancy restaurant on a special occasion, it wouldn't be half so much fun or as memorable if you ate there every week, and the great experience doesn't prevent you from thoroughly enjoying a lovely shepherd's pie or other normal home-cooked fare the rest of the time.

People laughing out loud out loud out loud because we won't have to play West Ham etc. are missing that point. I want to play West Ham, we have a history of ups and downs that goes back many decades. I want to play Burnley away on a windy, rainy night and have them make life difficult for us. I want us to huff and puff in the cup against a 4th Division outfit on a bumpy pitch with a portacabin for a changing room (and see our rivals eliminated in such circumstances).
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Alas, apparently we are ‘legacy fans’. We’re not part of the glorious global future.
 
MemphisWill said:
I don't agree. Abramovich and Mansour are just going along with this. 100/100 this is a Glazer/ENIC/FSG cookup. The former don't care where they play, so long as its the best and they can launder money.
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I both agree and disagree. I do agree the billionaire sports-washers would probably be happy to play in the current or new formats and are following the lead of the American cabal.

The point I am making in general though is when you start allowing people like Abramovich into your league as owners, you're clearly stating all you care about is money. I don't think this happens in a different environment where the clubs ownership aren't so fully compromised.

American owners didn't approve Abramovich buying Chelsea, the English FA did.

So yes, this current plan is very American and the billionaires are going along for the ride, but the reason it can get off the ground in the first place is the FA has created an enviornment where it's all possible.
 
Gordon Taylor is such a wanker. Just listened to him on the radio waffling on about how much the players care about legacy and fans, then he was asked what they will do next and it was all ... short career, must make their money while they can, they all give to charity.
 
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