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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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Levy was damned if he did, damned if he didn’t, who didn’t think “well done for not giving in to him and city” now he stayed and is acting a right c#@t hardly Levy‘s fault.
When you go to the lengths Kane did, and balance that with the reports of a huge row between himself and Levy, i think it was a fairly high chance Kane would be a totally disgruntled player.

Levy didn't have the balls to sell Kane and properly reinvest, that was the major problem
 
HAHAHA.... You're definitely a shit-house; no "maybe" about that.

Your 'pre-season' warblings are just the latest evidence of such....



This season:

Literally only won 1 league game without Kane (his cameo at Wolves was surprisingly decent tbf... Best hold up play he's managed this season which was very useful in seeing the game out.). Meanwhile, Won 4 with him.



No... Not very good..... Not particularly relevant to the point regarding you bringing pre-season games into the equation though.

Any way you spin it, we still have gotten better results without Kane than with him over the last 3 seasons as long as Son is playing. You’d think that a ‘world class’ player would make an impact to our results and overall play but it really hasn’t worked out.
 
Son chance was at a hard angle, xG works by calculating how often a player usually scores from that position, and it ain't often. Kane header needed to be a fantastic one and wouldn't be scored often, Ndombele header really wasn't a good chance.

The chances we created weren't clear cut, at all.
Maybe Im judging the chances wrong based on who I watch. As in just us and the best teams. The crap players in the league must be bringing the xG down for a chance like Son got. It seemed a simple finish for a good player though.
 
Maybe Im judging the chances wrong based on who I watch. As in just us and the best teams. The crap players in the league must be bringing the xG down for a chance like Son got. It seemed a simple finish for a good player though.
From my understanding, xG takes a lot of variables into consideration including where the player was at when the pass was made. Look at where Son was when the pass was made. He was about 35 out sandwiched between two players and had to beat them to the ball.

Most players might not even get to the ball nor hit the target.

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From my understanding, xG takes a lot of variables into consideration including where the player was at when the pass was made. Look at where Son was when the pass was made. He was about 35 out sandwiched between two players and had to beat them to the ball.

Then, running at full speed and shot from a tight angle and off balanced

Most players might not even got to the ball and/or not hit the target.

WpUeWAG.jpg
Maybe they do take all those things into account, as when he shot the ball, it was a pretty simple finish for any decent winger/striker.
 
xG just takes in to account where the shot was taken in the box IIRC. It doesn't take in to account who the player is, or what happened in the build up. You'll get a % of an xG (for example you get 0.80 xG for a penalty) based on how regularly someone scored when shooting from said position.

It ain't perfect, it's more a model to show how often a team got in to dangerous positions. That Son shot doesn't often lead to goals because shots from hard angles are really difficult. I think you'd be surprised how often even top wingers don't score from there, Salah misses plenty of chances in a similar position.
 
Maybe they do take all those things into account, as when he shot the ball, it was a pretty simple finish for any decent winger/striker.
No, I don't think it was simple honestly. He was running outwards and away from the goal to get to the ball. Then running at full speed, had to adjust his body to try to square a shot on goal. Could he have scored from there? Yeah sure. But in no way was that a high xG opportunity
 
xG just takes in to account where the shot was taken in the box IIRC. It doesn't take in to account who the player is, or what happened in the build up. You'll get a % of an xG (for example you get 0.80 xG for a penalty) based on how regularly someone scored when shooting from said position.

It ain't perfect, it's more a model to show how often a team got in to dangerous positions. That Son shot doesn't often lead to goals because shots from hard angles are really difficult. I think you'd be surprised how often even top wingers don't score from there, Salah misses plenty of chances in a similar position.
Yeah you're not really going to score from where Son was unless you shoot with your left foot and have a little bit of curve on it. Or unless you blast one through the keepers face.
 
When you go to the lengths Kane did, and balance that with the reports of a huge row between himself and Levy, i think it was a fairly high chance Kane would be a totally disgruntled player.

Levy didn't have the balls to sell Kane and properly reinvest, that was the major problem

The man constantly accused of "selling all our best players the first chance he gets" didn't have the balls to sell Kane.

I would say 'you couldn't make it up', but you clearly have. 😊
 
Any way you spin it.

I didn't spin anything.

we still have gotten better results without Kane than with him over the last 3 seasons as long as Son is playing. You’d think that a ‘world class’ player would make an impact to our results and overall play but it really hasn’t worked out.

Excellent player vs Top class vs "World Class" vs about as good as Carlton Palmer.


......What a hill to die on! :freundgoal:
 
Levy had the balls to sell Kane. If anything held it up on his end it's because he is an egomaniac who once it looked like he might look like the 'loser' by folding to City and selling, he was intent on keeping him almost at any costs, or at worst selling but for a colossal fee.

But that's just speculation on my part. But I bet Levy was sat there absolutely fucking love it when journalists were declaring he had won when the window closed. Absolutely lapping all that shit up. Who cares if we ended up not replacing Bale and having no back up CF, right?
 
No, I don't think it was simple honestly. He was running outwards and away from the goal to get to the ball. Then running at full speed, had to adjust his body to try to square a shot on goal. Could he have scored from there? Yeah sure. But in no way was that a high xG opportunity
Yea, probably not a high xG based on the average player. But for a player who is better than average, i was really expecting a goal there with the ball ending up in the bottom left corner. Instead their goalie saved with his feet. Was mediocre/average finishing.
 
xG just takes in to account where the shot was taken in the box IIRC. It doesn't take in to account who the player is, or what happened in the build up. You'll get a % of an xG (for example you get 0.80 xG for a penalty) based on how regularly someone scored when shooting from said position.

It ain't perfect, it's more a model to show how often a team got in to dangerous positions. That Son shot doesn't often lead to goals because shots from hard angles are really difficult. I think you'd be surprised how often even top wingers don't score from there, Salah misses plenty of chances in a similar position.

What is xG?​

Very simply, xG (or expected goals) is the probability that a shot will result in a goal based on the characteristics of that shot and the events leading up to it. Some of these characteristics/variables include:

  • Location of shooter: How far was it from the goal and at what angle on the pitch?
  • Body part: Was it a header or off the shooter's foot?
  • Type of pass: Was it from a through ball, cross, set piece, etc?
  • Type of attack: Was it from an established possession? Was it off a rebound? Did the defense have time to get in position? Did it follow a dribble?
 

What is xG?​

Very simply, xG (or expected goals) is the probability that a shot will result in a goal based on the characteristics of that shot and the events leading up to it. Some of these characteristics/variables include:

  • Location of shooter: How far was it from the goal and at what angle on the pitch?
  • Body part: Was it a header or off the shooter's foot?
  • Type of pass: Was it from a through ball, cross, set piece, etc?
  • Type of attack: Was it from an established possession? Was it off a rebound? Did the defense have time to get in position? Did it follow a dribble?

Yeah pretty much what I thought. The fact that the keeper was well set and positioned and defenders well positioned to put off Son/stop him getting a decent shot away will have contributed.
 
The man constantly accused of "selling all our best players the first chance he gets" didn't have the balls to sell Kane.

I would say 'you couldn't make it up', but you clearly have. 😊
Back on your good old pedantic high horse defending Levy as per usual.

The muppet who thought Mourinho was looked out AFTER Poch was sacked. The idiot whose defence in losing arguments is to get all pedantic about grammar and facts. Someone who doubts every single thing unless they get evidence and even then only if they are caught cold and have no option.

I could go on, but it's so much easier keeping you on the ignore list where you so clearly belong. In fact, it's amazing how much more I enjoy this board without your crap.

I'd await your reply, but I'll not see it.
 
Back on your good old pedantic high horse defending Levy as per usual.

Just questioning your logic.....
The muppet who thought Mourinho was looked out AFTER Poch was sacked. The idiot whose defence in losing arguments is to get all pedantic about grammar and facts. Someone who doubts every single thing unless they get evidence and even then only if they are caught cold and have no option.

Not keen on them then, no? :harrylol:
I could go on, but it's so much easier keeping you on the ignore list where you so clearly belong. In fact, it's amazing how much more I enjoy this board without your crap.

How are you even reading this if you have me on ignore?
I'd await your reply, but I'll not see it.

Miss you already, babes. 🤗
 
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xG

For fucks sake. Is this what it's come to? Sounds like some shitty rapper from Peckham.


xG is great when used correctly. For some reason some fans are really sceptical of it, but the fact is that it's a big part of football at the top level, and the best way to analyse what kind of chances a team creates/of what quality they are. It's very useful for showing when fans say a miss was a 'sitter' when really the analytics show it was a hard chance.

Here's Tuchel (probably one of the most progressive, most analytical coaches in football history) referencing it:



Klopp has done the same before, and there's another clip where Wenger discusses it. Most clubs use this stuff now, seems to be a dirty term on here for some reason, football fans need to catch up!
 
xG is great when used correctly. For some reason some fans are really sceptical of it, but the fact is that it's a big part of football at the top level, and the best way to analyse what kind of chances a team creates/of what quality they are. It's very useful for showing when fans say a miss was a 'sitter' when really the analytics show it was a hard chance.

Here's Tuchel (probably one of the most progressive, most analytical coaches in football history) referencing it:



Klopp has done the same before, and there's another clip where Wenger discusses it. Most clubs use this stuff now, seems to be a dirty term on here for some reason, football fans need to catch up!


I think part of the scepticism is born of the fact that it's used to excuse losses a hell of a lot of the time.... Particularly in the context of the pro's..... Likely wouldn't even bother to mention xG if they'd won.

Another factor is there's a degree of mystique about how things like xG are measured and when those citing it are asked you often hear different metrics cited.



The fact that we get win probability %s quoted during in matches these days makes me wanna smash my laptop.
 
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