Match fitness is equally vital and nobody can deny he was lacking that.
Straight answer, do you think he played well enough to get 95 minutes?
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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane
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Straight answer, do you think he played well enough to get 95 minutes?
Harry shoulders the blame for his part....not doing enough
Poch shoulders the blame for his part. Not trusting the players that have scored goals without Harry, and not taking him off when it was clear he wasn’t in it.
Eriksen shoulders the blame for his part. Being like he has been all season....average
Dele takes the blame for his part....playing shit and wasting everything that came his way
Son for his part.....being overexcited and undisciplined on and off the ball.
See how it works?
No one is blaming Kane because Eriksen was poor.
Although I’ve seen Trippier and Dier blamed for just that. Funny old game.
Again, it's not really for me to account for other posters.
I'm merely calling for balance and a little humility form the "told you so contingent" (not like I couldn't claim this 'victory' for myself if I chose that path!).....
The bulk of your post exhibits said balance, but it's taking some a while to get here......
Even if not fully fit?
It's done.
But the hold Kane has over Pochettino could be the Argentinian's undoing.
I think some of the great managers in history would have started with Kane but not dropped Moura.
A manager like Benitez would definitely not have started him.
A debate was coming as soon as we lost regardless.
But the hold Kane has over Pochettino could be the Argentinian's undoing.
I think some of the great managers in history would have started with Kane but not dropped Moura.
A manager like Benitez would definitely not have started him.
A debate was coming as soon as we lost regardless.
Nope, if there's any kind of niggle, which means he can't put in 100% in to the match, then he shouldn't be picked to start in such a huge game.
However, I do think, that it's in part the players responsibility to put the team first and take a step back, if they don't believe they are fully fit.
VVD had a great game, yes, but there were several times Harry tried to compete for a ball but was literally held down by his marker, hands on shoulders pushing him downwards. Ref was a complete dick and didn't even give us consolation fouls for these incidents until well on in the second half. Kane could have played better, but got absolutely zero respect from the rat-faced ref.
Maybe a stronger Harry would have fought them off like he usually does..
Spurs have been crap since new year. We got found out - simple as. Its very clear that we are unable to provide service to our strikers from wide areas so teams just push us out wide.
If Kane or Llorente or Moura started we would have seen the same result. 8 at the back for liverpool; pushing us out wide and leaving no room for forward passes. Had we not conceded inside the first minute our attack would have had more room to work the ball into our favoured position on the end of the central area.
I think I counted 1 dangerous ball into the box all game; and tripps and rose we given free run of the pitch to deliver balls.
If Kane or Llorente or Moura started we would have seen the same result. 8 at the back for liverpool; pushing us out wide and leaving no room for forward passes. Had we not conceded inside the first minute our attack would have had more room to work the ball into our favoured position on the end of the central area.
I think I counted 1 dangerous ball into the box all game; and tripps and rose we given free run of the pitch to deliver balls.
Why do people keep harping on "Poch would be criticized either way"? Without Kane, there is a different brand of football played because Kane is slow.
As it stood, we played (even with Moura on) with the same tactics that weren't working from the get-go. In fact, the only reason why Kane should be left on was in case penalties were to decide it, but it was a clear error from Poch to start him and not hook him. Playing for penalties when you can't even annoy the opponent is arrogant.
I don't know what's up with Harry, but that explosiveness he used to have (see that game against Mourinho's Chelsea) is long gone. In fact, of late, most matches he gets bundled to the ground by a defender while attempting to hold up the ball. Most of those aren't even fouls either, just an inability to hold up the ball.
People keep criticizing Dele and Eriksen but where is Kane off the ball?
I find it inexplicable that neither Poch or Kane seem to be able to recognize that he isn't the same player he was. Is that player gone? Let's see what the new season brings us.
As it stood, we played (even with Moura on) with the same tactics that weren't working from the get-go. In fact, the only reason why Kane should be left on was in case penalties were to decide it, but it was a clear error from Poch to start him and not hook him. Playing for penalties when you can't even annoy the opponent is arrogant.
I don't know what's up with Harry, but that explosiveness he used to have (see that game against Mourinho's Chelsea) is long gone. In fact, of late, most matches he gets bundled to the ground by a defender while attempting to hold up the ball. Most of those aren't even fouls either, just an inability to hold up the ball.
People keep criticizing Dele and Eriksen but where is Kane off the ball?
I find it inexplicable that neither Poch or Kane seem to be able to recognize that he isn't the same player he was. Is that player gone? Let's see what the new season brings us.
Why do people keep harping on "Poch would be criticized either way"?
It seems that the diseases runs deeper for a few posters here and they either can't recognize it or will not but rather die with than fixing it.
Harry got the biggest cheer of the line ups when they were read out. He’s our top scorer and talisman. I was pleased to see him start even if I may have used him from the bench.
We just didn’t have the quality on the night following a body blow after 22 seconds.
It’s gutting. But Harry is the man who will lead us to glory next year. He is so driven. Everyone laughed last year when he said England can win the WC. If Southgate made the necessary half time tactical changes we’d have been in the WC Final.
He’s one of our own.
We just didn’t have the quality on the night following a body blow after 22 seconds.
It’s gutting. But Harry is the man who will lead us to glory next year. He is so driven. Everyone laughed last year when he said England can win the WC. If Southgate made the necessary half time tactical changes we’d have been in the WC Final.
He’s one of our own.
And there is the other harping on about Kloop didnt start Origi as well so its the same as Poch not starting Lucas. Completely blind to the fact that Lucas is an important part of the team this season with over 3000 minutes and 15 goals before the final. Origi is a fringe player at Liverpool with around 500 minutes and 4 goals before the 2 jammy goals versus Barcelona.
A better comparison to Origi would be Llorente who is similar in the lack of talent he brings like Origi . And no one has ever stated they want Llorente to start the final ahead of Kane or Lucas , similar to Liverpool who wouldnt want Origi starting ahead of any of their front 3.
So do you think it was OK just to let him start because he done good in the past teams should be picked on current form but unfortunately poch doesn't see it that way as he continues to pick poor performers in our squad ie trippier dele eriksen. In my opinion we are becoming as bad as Chelsea were we are letting players pick the team rather than manager it's time for poch to get rid of the bad eggs
HK = Bad egg?
We are toxic like the Chavs?
Fucks sake....
The mental gymnastics some will go to not have to face up to a loss is astounding!!!!
One of those things in football that are impossible to predict, also depends on what we will be doing in the transfer windows and who we will keep, could be next year, could easily take another decade as well, you need a fair amount of luck anyway to reach a CL final.
Most of us don't care what Liverpool do