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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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VonnegutBusy said:
Please tell me who the next VVD and Salah are?

Not every team can get that lucky and buy two of the best players in the world in their positions at the same time. Do you really trust Hitchen to deliver?
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Did we not bring in Son + Alderweireld in the same transfer window?
Dembele, Lloris & Vertonghen in another window?

All of those players I would argue had periods amongst being the best in the world in their positions.
All came in under the eye of Paul Mitchell I believe.

The best signings since Hitchen has been in charge?
I'm not convinced any of them have been a success except Hojbjerg.

The nature of transfers is that most won't go on to be top class players, so pointing at failures is a bit disingenuous. Picking out the successes is a better reflection of their job - and the player arrivals under Hitchen have been far from a success.

I'm not sure why Levy hasn't pulled the trigger firing this failure.
 
Don Corleone said:
I’m the strongest advocate of Kane staying by the way and not selling to any direct rival, but say City offered 100 mil, plus Jesus and Ake. Would you take that ? Just curious. Literally just playing silly season here but be interested to see opinions
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Would prefer 150m. Jesus and Ake are what they are (good players). I could at least buy into the excitement of bringing in talented
young players with the potential to become great
 
tedesco23 said:
I can't see how anyone doesn't recognize different possible responses here. Fair enough, you're not upset that he wants to go. Fine.

But I love Spurs. I loved Spurs before Kane came along, and I'll love them after. It'd be one thing if he was pushing for a move to Europe. But by all accounts, he wants to stay in the PL. Which is effectively saying: "I've given my all to trying to win with this club, but we weren't able to do it, so in the remaining years I have left, I want to give my all instead to a different club whose goal is (among other things) to ensure that my long-time club doesn't win." My view is: fuck that. Sorry.

And if someone gets tired of being a bridesmaid, fine. So they go off, to be a mercenary on a team of mercenaries, to hold up a trophy in front of fans who don't give a shit about you. That's one path. Another path is to stick with the club that's in your blood, in front of fans who worship you, who will build statues for you and sing your name, and if you don't win a trophy, there's a nobility to the effort the other mercenary path can never achieve. I admire that second path a hell of a lot more.
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100% mate.

And you are a true Spurs fan as opposed to those on here who seem to have forgotten their priorities.

The club first and always before any and every player.
 
This is just painful

Until yesterday I was looking forward to see the last of the likes of Donkeyssoko and the little rat in Spurs shirt, now It's the last week we're ever going to watch Harry leading our front line.

Beyond Heartbroken
 
VonnegutBusy said:
Please tell me who the next VVD and Salah are?

Not every team can get that lucky and buy two of the best players in the world in their positions at the same time. Do you really trust Hitchen to deliver?

It's far far more likely we piss the money away on 5 players, 3 of which flop, 1 is half decent and one turns out good.

It could be a good opportunity for a rebuild in the right hands but not in the hands of the same team that has signed Janssen, N'Koudou, Sessengon, Doherty, Sissoko and Sanchez in recent times.
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This is the problem, nobody with any sense can have any confidence in our recent transfer dealings to countenance selling Kane.

We'll end up scrambling around in August for some Portuguese league reject on loan.
 
Mampi said:
Did we not bring in Son + Alderweireld in the same transfer window?
Dembele, Lloris & Vertonghen in another window?

All of those players I would argue had periods amongst being the best in the world in their positions.
All came in under the eye of Paul Mitchell I believe.

The best signings since Hitchen has been in charge?
I'm not convinced any of them have been a success except Hojbjerg.

The nature of transfers is that most won't go on to be top class players, so pointing at failures is a bit disingenuous. Picking out the successes is a better reflection of their job - and the player arrivals under Hitchen have been far from a success.

I'm not sure why Levy hasn't pulled the trigger firing this failure.
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He hasn't picked most of the players.
 
Doc said:
He hasn't picked most of the players.
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I thought he was chief scout or head of recruitment or whatever?

If somebody can explain what the fucker actually does it would help. He seemed to be the main man in our recruitment policy in that Amazon documentary.

I don't believe managers have time to go and scout and watch players anymore, they may have preferences but every club usually has someone in charge of a team identifying targets to present to the manager. Isn't that what Hitchen does?
 
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tedesco23 said:
I can't see how anyone doesn't recognize different possible responses here. Fair enough, you're not upset that he wants to go. Fine.

But I love Spurs. I loved Spurs before Kane came along, and I'll love them after. It'd be one thing if he was pushing for a move to Europe. But by all accounts, he wants to stay in the PL. Which is effectively saying: "I've given my all to trying to win with this club, but we weren't able to do it, so in the remaining years I have left, I want to give my all instead to a different club whose goal is (among other things) to ensure that my long-time club doesn't win." My view is: fuck that. Sorry.

And if someone gets tired of being a bridesmaid, fine. So they go off, to be a mercenary on a team of mercenaries, to hold up a trophy in front of fans who don't give a shit about you. That's one path. Another path is to stick with the club that's in your blood, in front of fans who worship you, who will build statues for you and sing your name, and if you don't win a trophy, there's a nobility to the effort the other mercenary path can never achieve. I admire that second path a hell of a lot more.
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Don’t get me wrong I hope he stays. I would love nothing more then to see Harry lift a trophy wearing a Spurs top. I will say I hope it’s Harry making the decision, not his brother or some twat in his ear telling him he needs to leave.

Its a dangerous game keeping a player whose head has been turned. Other players will be watching.
 
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Kaner Owns Woolwich said:
Don’t get me wrong I hope he stays. I will say I hope it’s Harry making the decision, not his brother or some twat in his ear telling him he needs to leave.

Its a dangerous game keeping a player whose head has been turned. Other players will be watching.
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And for our club it is infinitely more dangerous to allow ourselves to be placed into a position like this, if as is likely this news has been sanctioned by Kane.

This is not Berbatov or Modric or even Bale but someone who has been nurtured by the club and because of our club has become England captain.

This news makes us weaker because every team will know or believe we will have money to spend or be desperate so hold us to ransom.

Simple answer if Kane goes public is to say no, let a new manager come in, give that person the chance to buy players and then see it out.

I just don't think we can afford to let Kane go simple as.

And those talking of City's need or Kane's need have to keep their counsel. What about our needs as fans of this club????
 
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Doc said:
He hasn't picked most of the players.
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Hitchen? What is he? Chief scout / technical director as far as I know.
Sits on a panel with 3-4 other people making the transfer decisions for us is how I remember him being described.

When he's writing out his CV for his next job I would expect him to reference his notable achievements - which in his role would surely be directly related to player acquisitions.

If he has a vote or a voice at transfer discussions, I expect it's from a football angle rather than financial, so have no reason to suspect anything other than him having a direct involvement in player transfers, be it picking from a shortlist or providing analysis combined with professional opinion.

Regardless, since his appointment or Mitchell leaving we have seen fewer successful transfers and none of a really high quality (unless people would regard Ndombele or Lo Celso as really high quality - I don't think so).
 
tedesco23 said:
I can't see how anyone doesn't recognize different possible responses here. Fair enough, you're not upset that he wants to go. Fine.

But I love Spurs. I loved Spurs before Kane came along, and I'll love them after. It'd be one thing if he was pushing for a move to Europe. But by all accounts, he wants to stay in the PL. Which is effectively saying: "I've given my all to trying to win with this club, but we weren't able to do it, so in the remaining years I have left, I want to give my all instead to a different club whose goal is (among other things) to ensure that my long-time club doesn't win." My view is: fuck that. Sorry.

And if someone gets tired of being a bridesmaid, fine. So they go off, to be a mercenary on a team of mercenaries, to hold up a trophy in front of fans who don't give a shit about you. That's one path. Another path is to stick with the club that's in your blood, in front of fans who worship you, who will build statues for you and sing your name, and if you don't win a trophy, there's a nobility to the effort the other mercenary path can never achieve. I admire that second path a hell of a lot more.
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That’s a lovely romantic view of how we’d like football to be, rather than how it is.
 
Mampi said:
Maybe they will get Kane on a 5 year deal, then end up loaning him back to us when he's 31 for 50% of his salary.

He's almost 28, would probably be on about £20 mil per season over 4-5 years before bonuses, agent fee, signing on fee, transfer fee.

All in, Kane could cost them £250 mil for 150 goals with 0 value at the end of his contract.

Haaland could cost a similar amount, but would still only be 26 at the end of a 5 year contract! By then the economy will be different. He could be a player they sell for a profit, or keep on as he moves towards his prime years.

Nothing about the Kane transfer makes sense except to pressure Haaland, or if Haaland simply doesn't fancy joining those cheats.
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Assuming the stories are actually true....
Very little about paying 150m for a player of that age makes sense to any team, maybe back when Chelsea were desperate to sign any top player for any amount of money, but they seem a lot more restrained these days...
In all honesty PSG might be the only team who would be prepared to spoon us that kind of money, problem is, I don’t think that’s where Harry imagines himself playing, and I wouldn’t blame him...
This is gonna be messy as fuck in usual Tottenham style, dragged out to the bitter end and then panic....

What top manager would be excited at the prospect of rebuilding this squad, being restricted in his spending ability, have a short pre season with the Euros, and having a Kane transfer drag out until midnight on deadline day..... no thank you I hear them say!
 
Ciro said:
Your post resumes the level of fake news and "narratives" in today´s society. According to you, signing Jose is somehow the reason for Kane wanting to leave the club - now, after Jose´s gone; not when he was signed. Facts don´t matter. You just choose what you want to believe, despite of them.

It´s the opposite, obviously. Tottenham fired Jose (five days before a final) and showed lack of ambition; it showed that winning titles is not the main priority - it´s irrelevant what you think about Jose and his tenure as Spurs manager; Levy could have fired him one day after the final.

I also said - and again, the evidences are many - that Kane and Jose enjoyed a great relationship. Just like Sonny and Jose, Hojbjerg and Jose, Lloris and Jose... But Kane, especially, is enjoying the best season of his life.

You don´t think his form has any relation with Jose? Okay. You don´t like Jose? Okay.

Harry Kane did.
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But Jose is shit. He is a shadow of the manager he once was he should retire before he does more damage to his ego.
 
tedesco23 said:
And if someone gets tired of being a bridesmaid, fine. So they go off, to be a mercenary on a team of mercenaries, to hold up a trophy in front of fans who don't give a shit about you. That's one path. Another path is to stick with the club that's in your blood, in front of fans who worship you, who will build statues for you and sing your name, and if you don't win a trophy, there's a nobility to the effort the other mercenary path can never achieve. I admire that second path a hell of a lot more.
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If Kane moves to city and scores a shit load winning leagues and CL , they will give plenty shit about him.
 
Ciro said:
Your post resumes the level of fake news and "narratives" in today´s society. According to you, signing Jose is somehow the reason for Kane wanting to leave the club - now, after Jose´s gone; not when he was signed. Facts don´t matter. You just choose what you want to believe, despite of them.

It´s the opposite, obviously. Tottenham fired Jose (five days before a final) and showed lack of ambition; it showed that winning titles is not the main priority - it´s irrelevant what you think about Jose and his tenure as Spurs manager; Levy could have fired him one day after the final.

I also said - and again, the evidences are many - that Kane and Jose enjoyed a great relationship. Just like Sonny and Jose, Hojbjerg and Jose, Lloris and Jose... But Kane, especially, is enjoying the best season of his life.

You don´t think his form has any relation with Jose? Okay. You don´t like Jose? Okay.

Harry Kane did.
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That’s part of the problem though. Jose is a cancer. He comes in picks favorites and divides the players. You don’t think Jose ever told Kane that he has to leave Spurs if he wants to be one of the greats? He probably told him that every day. He liked individual players, but like you he doesn’t give a fuck about Spurs as a club.
 
VonnegutBusy said:
Please tell me who the next VVD and Salah are?

Not every team can get that lucky and buy two of the best players in the world in their positions at the same time. Do you really trust Hitchen to deliver?

It's far far more likely we piss the money away on 5 players, 3 of which flop, 1 is half decent and one turns out good.

It could be a good opportunity for a rebuild in the right hands but not in the hands of the same team that has signed Janssen, N'Koudou, Sessengon, Doherty, Sissoko and Sanchez in recent times.
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So you're solution is more of the same? of course there is no guarantee that a signing will work out, does that mean we shouldn't try?

Lamela, Eriksen, Dele, Davies, Son, Toby, Tripps, LoCelso, Ndombele, Hojbjerg, Reguilon ... they weren't so bad.
 
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