You said it wasn’t a fluke. As in, not a one off.
By default, that makes it the norm
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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane
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By default, that makes it the norm
We'll he only played one season dropping so deep at times. So you can't say it's a fluke any more than you can't say its the norm. Or should that be the other way around. Whatever.
Wow, I must have missed Llorentes 55 goals that season
He's had 3 assists in our last 34 apps. We could use some of that 'world class' passing ability just about now. I'm not sure what he's waiting for but his passing has been about as good as Winks since our 11 game purple patch last season where Son's finishing was ridiculous.
Errrr as has been pointed out, he’s made 3 assists in the last 34 PL games playing in the exact same role
He's having a bloody chat with himself now!
And how many assists did he get overall? You can't discount the other games just because.
But then again, you discount goals, don't you?
Nobody has said this. Literally nobody. Not one person.
What has been said is that someone who is an impact sub, with overall less minutes, will often have a higher ratio of goals to games, than someone who starts every match. 3 sub appearances adding up to 90 minutes = a better chance of scoring than someone starting for 1 match for 90 minutes.
This is an observable fact in football, it's not a narrative. I've named you numerous players who benefit from it. You're perfectly welcome to argue that this isn't the reason their minutes per goals is similar, but arguing that impact subs don't have an inflated goal per game record is just .. silly.
By minutes per goals currently, Luis Muriel is the best goalscorer in all of Europe's leagues. Better than Ronaldo, Lewandowksi, Haaland, any of them. But he isn't actually the best, he just gets utilised from the bench a lot and has a smaller sample size minutes wise.
Now just accept that and stop drawing me in, go make fun of Kane scoring against plumbers or something.
I haven’t discounted them, I’ve said it was a fluke and he hit a rich vein of form from deep, never seen before and never seen since
A one off
But your living off August to November 2020 and ignoring it all since
You were comparing Vary's goal/apps ratio vs Kane as if a player coming in as a impact sub for 20-30 mins has the same chance of scoring a goal as a player playing a full 90.
Whether a player plays 1 min or 90, it counts as an app.
So you can't compare Vardy's goal/apps ratio to Kane's because he has been primarily deployed as a impact sub... which is the reason why you have to use goals/mins played ratio.
It's only a fluke because you have an agenda. You don't fluke being top of the assist charts. The same as you don't fluke 25-30 goals every season.
If you're coming on for 20-30 mins vs tired legs with a place to earn in the team against fodder, then yeah .. you have a very, very good chance of scoring. More than if you played the full 90? Probably not, but I'd not be surprised to see it's close. Again, Muriel last season scored an insane amount in these circumstances .. as did guys like Ole, Chicharito etc. They were specialists as their skillset suited that.
Both appearances & minutes per goal would be flawed in this case. I remember Vardy playing for England though, and he just looked a poor fit, and I'm sure anyone else on here who remembers it would say the same. Didn't get in to games at all. He may well have ended up looking comfortable, who knows?
But regardless of any of that, Vardy is a top striker, and extremely underrated. It may surprise you when I say if we were heading in to a CL final tomorrow, or if England were in a world cup final, I'd go with Vardy over Kane. His record is objectively better against the top sides as he's superb at beating a high line, and a constant handful for defenders.
If you look at the advanced stats, his purple patch was largely due to Son's tremendous finishing, rather than Kane's passing ability.
Kane had 14 PL assists but his xAssists number was only about 7 which means he benefited tremendously from Son/teammates finishing.
Son actually had a higher xAssists number than Kane last season but we all know that Kane can't finish worldies like Son on a regular basis.
Remember, Son had the highest goals above xG last season. His finishing was ridiculous.
Fair points.
We will make an Iniesta of him yet. All we need is to invent a machine which can shrink him and we’re quids in.
no, not a fluke. Kane's passing was very good, and he did created many chances for Son.
But at the same time Son converted most of his chances, and he was extremely clinical last season..
They had very good chemistry until it faded out later that season. I don't know why it didn't work no more....
11 assists in 11 games for a player that’s averaged 3 assists a season is what you’d cal a fluke. Or a one off purple patch due to a tactical loophole exploited by Jose that was eventually figured out and dismantled by opposing teamsno, not a fluke. Kane's passing was very good, and he did created many chances for Son.
But at the same time Son converted most of his chances, and he was extremely clinical last season..
They had very good chemistry until it faded out later. I don't know why....
How is that funny at all?Are you going to cry?
It didn't work anymore because it was a simple tactic easily stopped by placing a man on Kane. The surprise because expectation and other teams gameplanned for it. It was not a masterstroke. The real thing you and anyone else that was amazed by it should be wondering is why it took teams at the PL level so long to work out and stop. That was shameful...it wasn't that intricate.no, not a fluke. Kane's passing was very good, and he did created many chances for Son.
But at the same time Son converted most of his chances, and he was extremely clinical last season..
They had very good chemistry until it faded out later that season. I don't know why it didn't work no more....