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If Poch Goes, Who Next?

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"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."
 
nigelto said:
There’s a promising guy ripping up the Egyptian league at the moment. Top of the league. Goes by the name Gross....,
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You said Gross............
 
bus-conductor said:
Let me just get this out of the way, I do not want Poch to go. But if in the summer ManU flash their gash at him and causes him to ditch us after recently renewing his (8.5m pa) vows, who do we get?

For me, top of the pile of gettable head coaches would probably be Ajax's Erik Ten Hag. Has worked under Guardiola at Bayern, but is not a pure Guardiola clone, his Ajax team plays good proactive football. He's Ok working within financial restrains, relying on good coaching ethos rather than cheque book management, integrating and developing young players.

It might even be worth considering Peter Bosz, Ten Hag's predecessor at Ajax, currently out of work after a torrid few months at Dortmund, he got Ajax playing great football, getting them to the Europa final where they outplayed ManU and were skanked.

There's some great coaches coming out of the Bundesliga. Nagelsmann would have been high on that list, but he's already agreed to swap Hoffenheim for RB Leipzig in the summer. Hasenhuttl would have been on my list, but may now choose to show some loyalty to Southampton. Favre is another, but again, unlikely to want to leave Dortmund in the summer. Florian Kohfeldt (Bremen) is another very good young coach who might be worth considering.

Don't know loads about him, haven't watched loads of them, but Marco Rose seems to get his Salzburg team playing decent brand of football and punching above their weight in Europe.

France isn't exactly the coaching hotbed than Germany is. Leo Jardim's currently out of work, but as tactically astute as he is, he definitely leans toward the pragmatic. Still worth considering though. Ive been reasonably impressed with what Thiery Laurey has done at Strasbourg. Another coach worth considering (bit left field) is Christophe Pelissier, currently managing Amiens, sitting 17th might not seem great, but he's worked wonders with Amiens (two promotions and kept them up last season) who play some decent football for a club with tiny resources.

I know we frequently get linked with Eddie Howe, and he's a likeable fella who's done a decent job, I just think he's a bit of Roberto Martinez, all good intentions, but ultimately can't teach teams how to combine attacking and defensive discipline. I'd be more interested in David Wagner, whose Huddersfield performed a miracle to get promoted and then survive and his team doesn't always get results their football merits.

And then, there's always Bielsa....
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Well first of all I don't think it will happen, if it does Poch won't be starting the Man United job any time soon, Levy will tie Poch and Man United in so many legal knots they can't move.
A new manager for us will be a real problem, because he not only has to manage the team but he has to manage Levy too and Poch is by far and away the best at that. I'd like a DOF bought back to bridge that relationship with Levy. Eddie Howe, David Wagner can they live up to the expectations of the club, i.e qualifying for the CL?
 
MVP said:
Well first of all I don't think it will happen, if it does Poch won't be starting the Man United job any time soon, Levy will tie Poch and Man United in so many legal knots they can't move.
A new manager for us will be a real problem, because he not only has to manage the team but he has to manage Levy too and Poch is by far and away the best at that. I'd like a DOF bought back to bridge that relationship with Levy. Eddie Howe, David Wagner can they live up to the expectations of the club, i.e qualifying for the CL?
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I agree about a DOF, and depending on the current set up (which we know little about) maybe revamp the recruitment team as well (Woolwich brought Dortmund’s former guy for example).

But the point about most on my list is they are used to working that way (ie being head coaches working underDOF, under financial constraints) so aren’t expecting us to suddenly be PSG. Therefore shouldn’t have much issue with Levy.
 
bus-conductor said:
I agree about a DOF, and depending on the current set up (which we know little about) maybe revamp the recruitment team as well (Woolwich brought Dortmund’s former guy for example).

But the point about most on my list is they are used to working that way (ie being head coaches working underDOF, under financial constraints) so aren’t expecting us to suddenly be PSG. Therefore shouldn’t have much issue with Levy.
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But 99% of coaches on the list don't work in the PL, it's one thing to take Ajax into the CL, to do with it us in the PL with financial constraints is another. Only two coaches we've employed have managed to do it and we're seeing now that Poch doesn't like these financial constraints, imagine how someone less patient and less diplomatic would handle it?
 
Firstly I don’t think Poch is going anywhere in the summer, moving into a new stadium and hopefully a bigger budget to compete with the top he won’t see his project as complete yet IMO.

I do feel maybe the following season he will be off to Madrid. United would be a strange choice, he would need a massive 2-3 rebuilding process which he has already done in England, it would be in some ways a step backwards.

We are now a much more attracted proposition than before Poch with our team and facilities. So if he leaves then maybe the below in terms of fitting our model of development

Jardim
Howe
Ten Hag (Ajax)

And if not go for Simeone.
 
MVP said:
But 99% of coaches on the list don't work in the PL, it's one thing to take Ajax into the CL, to do with it us in the PL with financial constraints is another. Only two coaches we've employed have managed to do it and we're seeing now that Poch doesn't like these financial constraints, imagine how someone less patient and less diplomatic would handle it?
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I think we are getting to a point where as a club we need to put up or shut up. Woolwich built a stadium then had about 10 years of austerity, we had 10 years of austerity then built a stadium.

Either way after we have moved into our new ground, got stadium sponsorship we can’t then plead poverty and keep spending like Burnley.

Poch has made the club tons of money, getting champions leagues qualifications, using youth players rather than buying, making our players better and thus driving up their value and making us more attractive to sponsors with the quality of football.

With this in mind we will as a club either have to change to match Poch and any other future coaches ambitions or accept second rate.

We will never match City and there dodgy money but we should be aiming for Woolwich and Liverpool and that might be enough for us to win things.
 
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