If you could fix either the money or the strategy what would you choose?

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What do you want to fix?

  • Money - Chelsea Level (keep Levy)

    Votes: 3 4.3%

  • Strategy - Brighton Level (keep Joe Lewis)

    Votes: 45 65.2%

  • Fine with it as it is

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • John Thomas - Burn it all to the ground and start again

    Votes: 21 30.4%
  • Total voters
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Zomb said:
When you talk strategy it also includes a complete revolution of anyone involved in the football side.

- Our youth set up is a disaster

- I have no idea if we have data analysts. I suspect we still buy based on agent recommendations (which is a small pool as Levy is hated by many)

- Medical team clueless

- DOF role clearly been handed back to Levy hence the fruitless chasing of Trossard and Porro. Stinks of the bald dwarfs negotiation style

- overall short and medium term plan to transform the entire first team to a certain style of football, including coach and stick with it
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Agree with this, as well though, we need Levy to step the fuck away from negotiations for ever.
We take so long to get deals done that hinder the team, also our record with DOF over the years is a joke.
The club, needs to decide on what and where it's plans are, and where the club is going.
Because at the moment it's going nowhere again.
 
Quite happy with the results. Obviously I am assuming honesty but if you look at the club during the Poch era of net spend zero money was clearly a huge problem, now we spend 80-100m net but still have issues.

For the life of me I cannot figure out the on pitch vision. A cheque book manager with a limited cheque book, buying RB’s like Emerson for eventually a role that no longer exists within the team, no real understanding of an identity.

In theory our issues are fixable but the strategy at its heart the buck stops with Levy, if he cannot articulate a vision for the club he needs to step down as chairman and give us new energy. It will interesting to see the response to the THST letter regarding vision and whether we will get a true picture or just waffle.
 
skywalker68 said:
Agree with this, as well though, we need Levy to step the fuck away from negotiations for ever.
We take so long to get deals done that hinder the team, also our record with DOF over the years is a joke.
The club, needs to decide on what and where it's plans are, and where the club is going.
Because at the moment it's going nowhere again.
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The issues emanate from Levy and his complete ineptitude but also important to recognise they are far broader than just his bungled approach to negotiations. He’s a clueless rat
 
Why would we have to keep Joe Lewis if we changed strategy?
He’s the worst owner in Sports. Even more responsible than Levy. He sets Levy’s performance targets of profits.

In reality what we need is a change in money and stratetgy. Something like the Michael Edwards model at Liverpool. Where they hit on their big targets and were able to buy players they needed from the top end of their short list but also did it within a realistic budget.
 
Trying to be a top six club is clearly not working there seems to be a drama nearly every second day, Kane is going, Conte is going we haven’t signed anybody we‘ve signed such & such fuck me he‘s hopeless…….why not be sustainable in just playing attacking football that the fans want to see and the players enjoy playing if we get a player that wants to move on, let him and not go through the Kane situation will he, will he not…..that’s tiresome and boring. The pressure of being a big successful team is not for us…….
 
Richard Arlison said:
Why would we have to keep Joe Lewis if we changed strategy?
He’s the worst owner in Sports. Even more responsible than Levy. He sets Levy’s performance targets of profits.

In reality what we need is a change in money and stratetgy. Something like the Michael Edwards model at Liverpool. Where they hit on their big targets and were able to buy players they needed from the top end of their short list but also did it within a realistic budget.
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Point is Levy has built the club with a high revenue platform to be self funding - so we could maintain their zero investment plan (with them as owners) and still make massive improvements to strategy. Both ideally but strategy alone (removing Levy as CEO) will see improvements if executed well via say a Paul Barber or Wdwards
 
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Zomb said:
Point is Levy has built the club with a high revenue platform to be self funding - so we could their zero investment plan (with them as owners) and still make massive improvements to strategy. Both ideally but strategy alone (removing Levy as CEO) will see improvements if executed well via say a Paul Barber or Wdwards
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He needs to go, he creates such a downer and negative spin on the club.
Just want him gone, and get a better football administrator who knows the game, not thinks they know it
 
skywalker68 said:
He needs to go, he creates such a downer and negative spin on the club.
Just want him gone, and get a better football administrator who knows the game, not thinks they know it
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100%. We could employ Klopp or Pep and every single person would know the outcome. No trophies, not securing their signings and inevitable sacking
 
Money isn't the problem, it's how it's spent.

We've spent more money than the Dippers since Klopp joined them.

It's the strategy that needs changing.
 
John Thomas said:
This so called "Dortmund Model". Wouldn't that see us in a never ending cycle of losing our star players to our rivals?
No thanks to that! We're bigger than that. It's not that so ago other teams would lose their star players to us!

The Bundesliga is different to the Premier League...Dwarfed by the Premier League in terms of Money, Finance, Exposure and Glamour.

Yes we need a better strategy. A strategy that sees the wealth created by the 9th richest club on the planet focused on the thing It's meant to be all about. The football team.

A strategy that sees the manager identify his transfer target and the club using their financial might to land that target decisively rather than fucking around to save a few shillings and landing up with some booby prize cheap third choice.

It's not that difficult. Really
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I did say "at least". As in, "we should at least be able to run the Dortmund model".
 
skywalker68 said:
Agree with this, as well though, we need Levy to step the fuck away from negotiations for ever.
We take so long to get deals done that hinder the team, also our record with DOF over the years is a joke.
The club, needs to decide on what and where it's plans are, and where the club is going.
Because at the moment it's going nowhere again.
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We had most our our transfers wrapped up early in the summer window and in the previous January we left it late to buy Kulu & Bentancur - i think it's pretty safe to say the latter two were Paratici deals so this windows delayed deals aren't necessarily an indication of them not being his as well.

The plan seems pretty obvious to me - rebuild the squad with Paratichi, with a lot of players to move on and a lot to bring in. We've spent something like 150m net over the last two windows, if we were to sign Porro & Zaniolo we're going to be bringing it towards 200m in 3 windows (jan summer jan) going in to the summer window. So we're acting on the plan - the question in the mean time is whether Conte was the man to oversee such an extensive rebuild and whether or not he is going to be the one to see it through.
 
The thing with money is, that we DO and HAVE spent money... £45m on Sanchez, £60m on Richie... That's not PEANUTS!

We still outspend a LOT of PL clubs, but if you're talking about the OBSCENE riches of Man City, Chelsea and now Newcastle... no, we can't compete, and not would I want to.

But a strategy, and, may I add to the word mix 'identity & vision' are crucial to spending the money we DO spend wisely, and correctly.

Clubs like Brighton buy lesser known players who them have an impact on their club, whether it's on the playing side, or sell on value...
Trossard for £21m is a relative snip....yet we weren't prepared to pay even that!

(not that he'd wanna come to us right now.... and let's face it, he just LOOKS like a Gooner, so would've been a bad fit!)
 
It's definitely strategy our lack of one since early poch years has set us back years.

People seem to think we have a strategy of buying young and selling high but that really hasn't been the case for so long now.

We should be prem version of Benfica/Dortmund type club at the minimum but we're not, our recruitment has been shit(bit better recently).

Our selling has been atrocious and with better football people at the club we should have not been afraid to sell players when at their highest value. This was by far our biggest mistake (in hindsight obviously).
 
What is the strategy?
I thought it was focus on the training ground and the stadium, then when that is done invest properly in the team.
If that is still the plan where is the player investment? If that is not the plan then what is?
 
stevee said:
Money isn't the problem, it's how it's spent.

We've spent more money than the Dippers since Klopp joined them.

It's the strategy that needs changing.
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100%mate but they sold players for so much more than us and reinvested better walker was our last big sell for 50millon.

Dele, eriksen, Dier when United wanted and overs could have been sold for ridiculous money and reinvested it would have kept the squad fresh and players would of been hungry to succeed to step up for 1st team or for a move themselves

But instead it went stale and they are either still here or left for nowhere near what they were worth.
 
Skippa18 said:
100%mate but they sold players for so much more than us and reinvested better walker was our last big sell for 50millon.

Dele, eriksen, Dier when United wanted and overs could have been sold for ridiculous money and reinvested it would have kept the squad fresh and players would of been hungry to succeed to step up for 1st team or for a move themselves

But instead it went stale and they are either still here or left for nowhere near what they were worth.
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Went stale because there was no future planning just run them into the ground. Some of this is on Poch but in hindsight with some of the money offered should have cashed in. Fans at the time would have gone mad so to The boards credit (begrudgingly) they stood firm. This is something (selling on and having someone better coming in) we need to work on. You just know that ENIC have done fuck all
succession planning for Kane, Son etc. keep
playing the turkeys from the Poch era.
 
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