Must be true then!
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Manager Igor Tudor
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Better than their win rate since he left, which is zero.
because in his pursuit of winning a trophy which i must say was a great achievement and great moment to be a spurs fan.
He sacrificed too much and the team has created a habit of losing.
We lost 40 games* in two seasons but the players feel vindicated because they won a trophy under him....so Thomas Frank....Igor Tudor are all uninspiring for them and in their minds not good enough because they won a trophy under Ange.
This team needs to be completely broken up.
*for context Villa under Emery have lost 49 times now in 4th season.
*Newcastle have lost 66 times under Howe and he is in his 5th season
Not quite "Twitter", it's the Telegraph who are a good source for us.
Sherwood had a 59% win percentage. It’s completely irrelevant when they both took over very different teams. Much more important question is did form noticeably pick up when they were hired and as far as I can remember from Mason it’s a big fat no.
It’s whether the lack of his mates like Dier and Kane to back him up and set the dressing room tone would make a difference I suppose.
I fully understand people’s concerns with Mason and he wouldn’t be my first choice either.
What a shit show we’ve become!
Mason was on the staff that won Europa. Tbh I think he’s got more chance of getting them to listen than anyone available, other than Ange…
But Mason is probably a bit more measured defensively than Ange.
I’ve probably just talked myself into it, which is mad because I used to think he was Levy’s spy in the camp
A 50% win rate is ridiculous if we expect him to win 50% of our remaining games…..it depends on the teams we played then and the teams we have to play now…..also the players we had then and now…..and the injuries we had then and now…..and our form then as opposed to. Ow.
In both cases, I actually think it was yes.
Absolutely the second time after Stellini we looked better and got better results.
Just checked, 2021 was after Jose when the squad was toxic af. He lost the League Cup Final, then improved results and got us 7th in the prem.
So, tbh yes, he’s taken over toxic chaos both times and made us better
It sounds ridiculous right now.
This squad is more than capable of it
Did he have son and kane in his spells. This is whole different kettle of fish.
I know I'm a simple man but what has any of this got to do with what was being talked about, that you were blaming last season on Frank being useless?
That because we lost 22 games last year, he was on a hiding to nothing?
That's what I disagree with and you've replied with a lot of words that say nothing about that.
First you accuse me of "straw-manning" and now you're throwing up smoke and mirrors to avoid what I was quite simply stating.
Frank started this season with a (mainly) fit squad, new signings and a full pre-season, so how has where we are now got anything to do with our final league position last season, a season in which we completed in both domestic cups and actually won a European trophy?
In the squad yes, injured? I think also yes at different points of both spells.
That Jose squad in 2021 was diabolical
Based on what?
Again this nothing more than a logical fallacy built to fit a narrative you want to will into existence - there's simply no evidence base for it at all.
Occam's Razor - the team has performed badly in the league for two years because a) we've suffered an unprecedented injury crisis and b) the squad thin on elite talent having been degraded over the last 10 years but particularly since Kane and Son left without being properly replaced with similar elite talent.
When you combine those with an uninspiring manager and a collapse in team belief you get where we are now.
It really is as simple as that. As has been proven. Everything else is just pathetic cope.
Blaming the manager who won us a Trophy (and made the semi-finals of the League Cup) for our travails this season is utterly ridiculous. THere's loads of people to blame - Postecoglou has nothing to do with it. We sacked him, remember?
Rejected by Dyche !
Billy Nic will be turning in his grave , bloody hell
i'm all for being convinced that mason is the next big thing in management but then i just remember watching him look completely lost on the sidelines and i get the feeling this group of plyers won't respond to him. i'm about 70% convinced he'll be the man vinai turns to if they get rid of tudor but it's just a bit depressing really. clueless stuff.
Did he?
That Jose squad wasn’t wonderful
Whatever was left fit in Stellini wasn’t up to much either. Remember that Newcastle away game?
Son was injured for 4 of the 6 in the 2023 spell post Stellini
Kane was half fit and missed 2 games in the 2021 stint
We went from 1 PPG to 1.17 PPG under Mason from Stellini and we sacked Jose in 7th and finished 7th under Mason.
These are extremely small levels of improvement and that applied relatively probably wouldn’t see us stay up.
Yeah that's fine, we don't all have to agree about everything.
I just think that Tudor acted like a twat to Kinsky and Djed thought that sometimes you have to fight twat with twat!
I do think that he has a suspect attitude and I also thought what he and Mickey did to Frank was wrong.
Maybe understandable in the heat of the moment but wrong nonetheless.
I thought what he did on Tuesday was funny and making a point to the manager.
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