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Match Ipswich (A) - 22nd February - 3PM KICK OFF, AN ACTUAL 3PM KICK OFF

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skywalker68 said:
We have been on the end of some dodgy decisions, but why would the officials be ant Tottenham?
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In all honesty; I'm not sure.

I am very sure that home and away, regardless of the opposition, the referees and linesman have allowed Spurs players to be continually fouled, not flagged the opposition offsides but flagged Spurs offsides in the same game, not allowed advantages to be played, when Spurs would benefit in counter attacking situations and generally given anything 50-50 to opposing teams. Son was denied a throw in yesterday, by the fucking ref, in front of the Spurs supporters.

It's blatent and it's every game.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Just wanted to say that I thought the referee yesterday was absolutely shit in respect of applying double standards.

It may seem petty to mention it, due to the nature of the final score, but while Ipswich remained in the game the ref was doing his utmost to frustrate Tottenham and assist Ipswich.

Ipswich were allowed to commit fouls routinely; with impunity. When Spurs players protested they were ignored and when Spurs players dished out similar, in frustration, they were punished.

It's every fucking game.

It's fucking cheating.

Spurs have to beat 11 men and the officials every week.
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Refereeing has declined for us since we finished 2nd under Pochettino.
 
Kosher Kid said:
In all honesty; I'm not sure.

I am very sure that home and away, regardless of the opposition, the referees and linesman have allowed Spurs players to be continually fouled, not flagged the opposition offsides but flagged Spurs offsides in the same game, not allowed advantages to be played, when Spurs would benefit in counter attacking situations and generally given anything 50-50 to opposing teams. Son was denied a throw in yesterday, by the fucking ref, in front of the Spurs supporters.

It's blatent and it's every game.
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Get what you're saying, it's don't think our management team helps, they look too passive.
Could you see the likes of Fergie or Klopp accepting it.
 
I live in Bearsted, just outside Maidstone and agree with the comments made, it's pretty rough and has gone downhill over the last few years. A lot of relocations from London boroughs, lack of council spend and development of out of town shops have also contributed. Sad for the county town of Kent. Some decent pubs though.
We go to watch Maidstone United a fair bit, decent set up. Gillingham really is a dump though.
Great win Saturday, COYS
 
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Kosher Kid said:
In all honesty; I'm not sure.

I am very sure that home and away, regardless of the opposition, the referees and linesman have allowed Spurs players to be continually fouled, not flagged the opposition offsides but flagged Spurs offsides in the same game, not allowed advantages to be played, when Spurs would benefit in counter attacking situations and generally given anything 50-50 to opposing teams. Son was denied a throw in yesterday, by the fucking ref, in front of the Spurs supporters.

It's blatent and it's every game.
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There are variations of this post on every team message board of every club that has a supporter base big enough to warrant a web site to air their views. There is probably identical posts in every country that has football leagues and the internet.

Referees have to make decisions pretty much every second the ball is in play and are expected to see everything and make judgements constantly through each game. They are bound to miss incidents, make erroneous judgement on situations just as much as they are likely to get things right.
Realistically - what are the chances that all of the refs in the league have either independently or even collectively decided to single Spurs out for treatment based on bias and dislike.

Because, they are having to do the same thing to every other club.

That's a lot of cheating going on. So - if they are doing it to every club, then logically it should even itself out - no?

Or maybe it's human error?

Have to be honest though - that Danso incident was so stand out blatant as not even being close to being inside the law - you'd think someone would be asking questions.

A similarly ignored foul is obstruction. You see it every game where players shield the ball to let it cross the line for a throw or goal kick. They make no attempt to play the ball and physically prevent an opponent from being able to play it - which more or less describes obstruction in footballing terms.

As for a conspiracy against Spurs.....
 
HotShotTottenham said:
Refereeing has declined for us since we finished 2nd under Pochettino.
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I did used to think that we benefitted from the same type of decisions when Poch was in charge.

It's weird but I do believe the referees can and do influence the outcome of many games.

It's why I feel so strongly about the way VAR has been misused.

There was a period when VAR was calling out all the penalties, diving, off the ball incidents; directly to the ref's ear piece and the refs were getting a lot more right than ever before.

It was at this point that gobshite Neville, Jose and all those who favour 'the rub of the green'; 'it evens itself out over the season' mysticism called for the pitchside monitors and the referee making the final decision.

This was a big mistake because it re-allowed players to protest and surround the refs again; which had initially stopped when VAR was advising the refs about things they had missed or couldn't see.

The refs would shrug at the players and could legitimately say that someone else was calling it. This made the lobbying protests and intimidation of refs absolutely pointless.

In other words; it was working.

What we have now is the same inconsistent and shit decisions by refs either endorsed by VAR, very quickly, with no replays, or ignored completely.

When VAR intervened yesterday, to undermine the refs, (correct), decision to award Everton an injury time penalty against Manchester United, I am now certain there is some type of corruption involving Premier League football and the refereeing.
 
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ThePreacher said:
With Kane and N'Dombele gone i think I am correct in saying that we dropped ten million a season off our wage bill?

Obviously we have added but not but not by that much with the kids coming in, and other player sales?
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Kane
Perisic
Lloris

..........That's 3 of our highest earners gone in 12 months.

Ndombele not quite off the books yet though.

If our wage total stays where it is now then complaints are fair; but there's nothing to say they wont rise back to that former level again over coming windows.


FYI; our top 4 highest (150kpw+) are now:

Son
Mads
Romero
Werner
 
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Mick Cooper said:
A shoulder barge, also known as a shoulder charge, is a legal move in football where a player uses their shoulder to push an opponent's shoulder. It's a strong push used to deliberately move an opponent out of the way.

Rules for a shoulder barge

  • It must be shoulder to shoulder
  • It can't be from behind
  • It must be within playing distance of the ball
  • It can't be violent or dangerous
  • It must be intended to win the ball
  • The player's arm must be tucked into their body

Penalties for a shoulder barge
A player can be penalized if their shoulder barge is careless, reckless, or made with excessive force.


Referee decisions
Referees often award a direct free kick if there is physical contact off the ball.


Examples of fouls
A player can be fouled for charging if they:

  • Initiate contact at the hip instead of the shoulder
  • Charge into the back of an opponent
  • Use their arms or elbows
  • Charge with excessive force
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Was one of the most obvious penalties you will ever see
 
Finally got to see MoTD and the first 15 mins tht I'd missed cos the rugby was on and I'd not noticed the time. Very glad I did too (miss the first 15 mins)
well, we';ve not learnt much since that terrible start v Aston VIlla because it was a carbon copy. Ball played out left, no defender within miles, free shot in the box, just this time it was saved and an almighty scramble on the line. Then another free shot but just past the post. Then a free header from a FK and hits the post with vic nowhere.
great result in the end, Sonny some great wing play, BJ scores again, but what is it with this can't be arsed to keep these away games tight for the first 20 mins.
esp as Ipswich at WHL started exactly the same way - 3 good chances and a hit post in the first 15 mins. Awful starts all season.
 
Mick Cooper said:
There are variations of this post on every team message board of every club that has a supporter base big enough to warrant a web site to air their views. There is probably identical posts in every country that has football leagues and the internet.

Referees have to make decisions pretty much every second the ball is in play and are expected to see everything and make judgements constantly through each game. They are bound to miss incidents, make erroneous judgement on situations just as much as they are likely to get things right.
Realistically - what are the chances that all of the refs in the league have either independently or even collectively decided to single Spurs out for treatment based on bias and dislike.

Because, they are having to do the same thing to every other club.

That's a lot of cheating going on. So - if they are doing it to every club, then logically it should even itself out - no?

Or maybe it's human error?

Have to be honest though - that Danso incident was so stand out blatant as not even being close to being inside the law - you'd think someone would be asking questions.

A similarly ignored foul is obstruction. You see it every game where players shield the ball to let it cross the line for a throw or goal kick. They make no attempt to play the ball and physically prevent an opponent from being able to play it - which more or less describes obstruction in footballing terms.

As for a conspiracy against Spurs.....
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Same human errors every week though?

It wasn’t just the penalty against Ipswich though… that ref was an absolute joke the whole second half.

At the end of the day a referee can’t beat you if you play well enough but they can certainly impact the margins. It’s annoying watching the same marginal shit on duels get officiated so inconsistently every week. Especially pressing fouls from behind.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Same human errors every week though?

It wasn’t just the penalty against Ipswich though… that ref was an absolute joke the whole second half.

At the end of the day a referee can’t beat you if you play well enough but they can certainly impact the margins. It’s annoying watching the same marginal shit on duels get officiated so inconsistently every week. Especially pressing fouls from behind.
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I didn't say that refereeing was perfect, or that his performance was great - far from it, it was inconsistent and the incident in question was mind boggling.
My point was that refereeing is just as accurate or incompetent across the board for all teams and yet all supporters hysterically conclude that any judicial error has to be perceived as collusion and premeditated corruption.
Referees have to try to see every event and judge whether it is a legal application of any of the (often frequently changing) laws of the game - at a frantic pace in a game conducted by talented actors who cheat on a constant basis to gain advantage or con the referee.
Look at the mufc v Everton game with the last minute penalty shout, Young's dive was hysterically funny and a blatant dive, and yet a cause of pundit anguish as he had been touched and had an almost irrelevant tug on his shirt. That took multiple views and tedious debate and yet is an example of what refs have to try and analyse in an instant hundreds of times every game.

Hardly surprising that some get ignored or missed.

Referees would look a lot more competent if VAR could tell the 4th official to take off players seen cheating for a 10 minutes sin binning and yellow card - using the subs board method, as players would have to stop diving, time wasting, pulling shirts, fuckery in the box at every corner etc
I would also do it without stopping the game, and if the player delayed coming off, then change it to a red. Second offence, red card.

Trossard, Jota and Cucuracha have to start each game on a ten minute binning for being odious little shit bags.
 
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