How many of the 71 minutes that Moura has played this season have you seen? And in those, what did you see to make him a better option than Zaha?
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Transfers January 2018 transfer thread
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We can’t afford that, our only realistic model is to buy 3-4 Davison Sanchez type player per season, essentially the world class players 1-3 years before they get to that level. At the moment we are buying roughly one of these per season, it needs to go up. Basically the Athletico, Monaco, Dortmund model.
Certainly no scout but when we talk about players we probably need to look at areas of weakness and then look at all the best young players in that position rather than players already in their prime as we can’t afford them.
Zaha is going to be a big fight in the summer between Chelsea, Woolwich etc. It’s too late most likely.
My opinion on Moura is based on seeing him play for PSG for the past 4 years, where he has been excellent and he and Draxler (another player better than Zaha I'd rather get, he'll be tougher though) have been cast aside for Neymar and M'Bappe. His lack of playing time this season is exactly the reason he is a possibility to sign. Especially with Woolwich, Chelsea and Liverpool hovering.
In regards to Zaha, he's just as good a dribbler. A better passer, crosser and generally more skillful and creative. Moura has just as many goals this season and more assists than Zaha despite a hugely lower number of minutes. He's just a better player. Anyone that's watched him for any period of time knows it. He can be inconsistent, but then, so can Zaha.
Zaha has had 18 good months, ever. Moura has been good for a longer period until getting cast aside this season for 300m worth of players. Zaha failed at United. Could he be the big fish in a small pond guy, much like Siggy was? We know Moura can perform in a CL side.
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How many of you saw Sessegnon play week in and out for Fulham?
Zaha is a decent player. The problem I have with his purchase is the cost, that he’s not really a world beater (or could be), and that I don’t quite see how he’s going to play in our team. Unless we move to some pace driven 4-3-3 and not our disciplined 3-4-2-1
Cost for me is the issue, he could easily play in our team, one thing I noticed watching him last season against us was how well he presses and tracks back, bit like Lamela. The guy is a real nightmare for opposition teams including big teams, they put 2-3 players on him which makes space for others and that we lack. Still it’s a no-go he is out of our scope now, probably be a Chelsea player next season.
Sessegnon is fantastic, for me he has more all round potential than Dele, he could play Premier League tomorrow no problem. Apparently he doesn’t want to leave London (at least that was the media rumours) so Liverpool and United are out of the frame. Got pace, power, good brain and a natural goal scorer. Every time I watch him I think what a player. Apparently talking to
Guido 🇺🇦
his brother ain’t bad either.Let’s put it this way if we can’t get Sessegnon we are fucked because we already know we can’t compete money wise for the big names but if we can’t get the superstar kids, we are in trouble, he is an absolute must signing. I mean fuck let’s go out in the summer and get 4-5 of the best kids, maybe then in 2-3 years time we nail can it even with City’s money.
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Fair points. I’m only basing my opinions of the last few months on any player, as there just seems to come a time when a player “loses it”. Could this be the case with Moura? I’ve no idea. Granted, he’s looked great before this season and I know he’s been replaced by bigger and better, but we can’t be sure that’s all there is.
Zaha, on the other side, seems much improved in the past six months and I do wonder ophow high his ceiling is on a more attacking side with a better manager.
Just to prove though, that I absolutely do not practice what I preach, I’d still have Barkley now or in summer and I’m not even convinced he’s not dead, it’s been that long since I have seen him....
I’ve never seen Sessegnon play, so have no idea if he’s any good or not. In his case, I’d likely have to base his suitability on what pundits say about him and how many other clubs appear to be keen to secure him. Taking that in mind, he seems like a solid punt. Just don’t ask me to pick the lad out of a line up.
We should go for that black guy Zaha -
Sorry mistake its Griezmann
Joke aside ..Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang from Dortmund would be a massive signing-best forward around for me.
Sorry mistake its Griezmann
Joke aside ..Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang from Dortmund would be a massive signing-best forward around for me.
I get your points and that being made by many on here but within all of this there has to be a balance in a player's mind and his agents as to pay packet, playing foorball and being at a club who can compete for Europe, top 4 and trophies.
The likes of Zaha and Barkley for example and then the Sessegnons have to be looking at the Bales, Walcotts, Depays, Bentekes etc of this world and realise that sometimes it can be a steep step towards glory or one strewn with pitfalls
We offer something as a club and at some point you have to think we will get it right within our 2/3 year cycle but players have got to believe it to come in the first place.
We should probably have this at the top of every transfer window thread page....
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ttenham-move-after-weird-negotiations-in-2012
That's a dangerous method, that's the football equivalent of an economic bubble. Especially as we know how pundits and interest fail to really identify good players more often than they do (hey there hyped Andy Carroll, Reece Oxford, Jack Wilshere, etc.).
Not that I've seen him play too much, and I do think we need to bring him along, I was just replying to general decision-making problem I see here.
Good point, current issue is squad depth. The way a youth policy can work is in numbers, right now we don’t buy enough good young players at any one time to compete.
Therefore we look more like a finishing school for young players. Players must see that themselves but if we had 10-15 young players of real quality coming through bought over several transfer windows it would be enough depth to sustain a challenge.
Simply if we want to follow Athetico we need to be signing a Davison Sanchez a good number of times each window, one or two isn’t enough when competing with money bags teams.
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Then why haven't we sold Harry?
Don't count your chickens .
Hopefully not but likely in a few years if we are most probably still "nearly men"
Then why haven't we sold Harry?
Don't count your chickens .
Hopefully not but likely in a few years if we are most probably still "nearly men"
It’s a very dangerous method, which is why I’ve not been trusted by a top football club to be one of their numerous, high level, trained, highly intelligent scouts.
The general decision making problem we have, I’d say, is that fans think they know better than they guys who run the club and work within it. Yes, they’ll make mistakes, but they know more than we do.
Then why haven't we sold Harry?
Don't count your chickens .
Hopefully not but likely in a few years if we are most probably still "nearly men"[/QUOTE]
Not even a few. No progress then comments in the summer and then 2019/20 watch this space.
Tottenham fan yes but also a footballer with ambition.
That's obvious as football is their expertise, but we need to remember that even among those experts there are misses than hits, and we supporters (including me) are way too fickle in our judgements.
Thank you very much. when using the link, the story on side was...
Pochettino admits players may leave
Pochettino admits players may leave
We seem to sleep on a bed of discontent?
Edit, he's not worried?
Fear of change is irrational, if the gaffer thinks we need to shake things up in the squad I'm with him
Nothing to worry about. Happens to every club.
For two or three years now, the votes for best player in the world, Ronaldo, has been cited as wanting to love from the biggest most successful club in the world.
If there are numerous rumours about the best player at the best club, what hope the rest?
It may not be his choice? He seems a victim of his own success. He's built the team that will slap him in the face. Thats football.