Probably harder to make it worse.
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Probably harder to make it worse.
This is a fair take but my take on that summer (actually started in the spring the season before) was that we needed big change and if we didn't Poch would get fired for his loyalty to underperforming or useless players. The run-in for 2017-18 was not very good. You could tell the squad was getting stale.Yes and no Scott. Yes I do believe and always have been that a good club is always pro-active but when we look at the pressing areas required now or will be in the future very few of those areas had genuine issues 18 months ago.
GK - Lloris was fine, he's just getting to the stage when we may have to consider something more long term. Impossible to replace him summer 2018 IMO
RB - Aurier was a year into his time with us. Difficult to say if he would come good but a year and a half extra tells me it won't work out long term, that's how it goes.
CB - Sanchez & Foyth were also a year into their time with us and sadly I don't see them taking their games onto levels where I'd regard them as mainstays, week in week out for the future. It happens but we did attempt to be pro-active and that's all we can really ask of the club.
DM - Dier hadn't had his health issues by then and whilst Wanyama did have an injury that he struggled with that season, it's difficult to know he would continue to struggle a further year and a half on etc.
LB - very well stocked with Rose not being on the decline and Davies still peak mid20s. Sessegnon was a smart buy as we phase Danny out, if anything just to see if Ryan could be a viable long term option.
AM - Eriksen was making noises that he'd be open to staying but I do get the feeling Grealish was being lined up ever to help with the Dembele burden or to long term replace Eriksen. The deal was there, we did everything right IMO it's just a massive takeover with Villa last minute gazumped us.
Backup FWD - We had Llorente and Lucas trying to develop his game.
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When you look at the squad back then there really aren't many massive holes in it. Hindsight will tell us that we should have been ruthless in certain areas, probably most with Dembele having a year left on his deal but the reality is we had been proactive or at least tried to be, it's just the kids we hoped would crack it haven't taken their games to Adonis levels which, mixed with injuries and a genuine lack of form for players like Vertonghen, Aurier, Wanyama, Dier, Dele, Eriksen etc has battered us hard.
Do I think that the summer of 2018 could have been dealt with better? Yes I do 100% but I still stick by my belief that no players signed and money kept for future investment made more sense than seeing us blow our loads on players we didn't really fancy thus leaving us hamstrung for future windows. We gambled on a Grealish deal, spurned the likes of Maddison in favour of him and it didn't work out like windows do sometimes. We've given too many too long to come good which you need to sometimes it's just a shame we haven't seen a couple kick on at a time where others have regressed.
1-2 in that window perhaps but we didn't require major surgery like I see us requiring now.
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can back me on this but it was clear that it wouldn't go on and it didn't.Some will point to the points haul early that year but it was our play that was awful. And then it caught up to us in the second half and people still ignored it because of the CL run. The Sammy-summer was a killer and now we've gone another summer without the necessary change but folks are now seeing the disaster that set its roots 2 and 3 seasons ago.
People like Davies and Dier are not good enough to justify their non-HG status (whatever league or CL stuff is affected) in the team. Dele has always done my nut in. Dembele always needed a backup/rotation because of his known issues. After Wimmer left we always needed a left-footed CB. Harry has always needed competition. CE had always needed a player with his skillset but with the other half too. These things ahve always been needed and not just this summer or the last 18 months.
The problem is the hoard of happy clappers won't allow you to say it when you recognize it because "why can't you enjoy football" or you're a 'closet gooner' or 'you have an agenda against player X, Y or Z' etc etc. But then all bets are off when their clueless asses recognize it. And then it's all anger anger anger from them. Somebody's gotta pay for their team being shit.
Our team wasn't good 18 months ago and was hanging on by a thread. Some of us saw it and wanted big change...it didn't happen. In fact literally nothing happened and we were the first team to get Sammy-fied. And this summer we got a little something but not close to the painful rebuild we were promised and then lost our manager who also recognized the need for a painful rebuild as he repeated it every chance he got.
It's the players; some suck, some are overrated, some are old but most had to go. Our most promising players now are two new guys (1 always hurt), a passionate old guy (always hurt) and an academy product. That says many of the rest could and should have gone.
Isn't this about Inter wanting him out rather than us wantimg him ?
If this is a proposed exchange for Eriksen, I'd prefer 20m hard cash - either to get a better striker or (if we have the funds) better AM to replace Eriksen to increase goalscoring ability
If Gedson is decent then we have enough depth with Ndombele, Winks, Dier, Winks, Skipp and at a stretch Dele and Lo Celso able to drop back. Not to mention the latest youngster Tanganga has played DM a couple of times in youth, almost as many times as he played RB…..
Not ideal CM but prefer to get out goalscorers in than bulking up CM.
Not that i need to justify my actions to you but i have seen Seria A football enough (as evidenced by me saying Salah will be player of the season when Pool signed him and you stating he would be a massive flop ) to form an opinion on Vecino and he is not very good at all. In fact, he is poor and nowhere near the type of midfielder we need.
I know it's shocking to you that some people actually enjoy football and try and watch as much as they can (seems you prefer spending your time starting cyber beefs and indulging in internet thugging) but it does happen.
LOL, that media narrative.
34 year old wingback with a contract running out. Lucky to get anything.
Not many. The ones I've seen, he hasn't even played. I'm solely basing this on the WC. One of Uruguays worst players, even though there were competition for that prize. I was hoping to see a bit of Toreira instead. Hopefully this was before his Woolwich switch, or else I'd like you to forget that last sentence.
I hope this doesn't mean they will now buy someone who's actually good
Genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if they were trying to buy the club again.
Good post. Don't know why but I still can't take a liking to grealish. He is the one that got away but I am not bothered. But I can't deny he has looked good so far. If villa do go down, we could go back in for him. I also am not convinced by Maddison but again, having a good season. Not sure why I haven't been hired as a scout with my success rate.Yes and no Scott. Yes I do believe and always have been that a good club is always pro-active but when we look at the pressing areas required now or will be in the future very few of those areas had genuine issues 18 months ago.
GK - Lloris was fine, he's just getting to the stage when we may have to consider something more long term. Impossible to replace him summer 2018 IMO
RB - Aurier was a year into his time with us. Difficult to say if he would come good but a year and a half extra tells me it won't work out long term, that's how it goes.
CB - Sanchez & Foyth were also a year into their time with us and sadly I don't see them taking their games onto levels where I'd regard them as mainstays, week in week out for the future. It happens but we did attempt to be pro-active and that's all we can really ask of the club.
DM - Dier hadn't had his health issues by then and whilst Wanyama did have an injury that he struggled with that season, it's difficult to know he would continue to struggle a further year and a half on etc.
LB - very well stocked with Rose not being on the decline and Davies still peak mid20s. Sessegnon was a smart buy as we phase Danny out, if anything just to see if Ryan could be a viable long term option.
AM - Eriksen was making noises that he'd be open to staying but I do get the feeling Grealish was being lined up ever to help with the Dembele burden or to long term replace Eriksen. The deal was there, we did everything right IMO it's just a massive takeover with Villa last minute gazumped us.
Backup FWD - We had Llorente and Lucas trying to develop his game.
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When you look at the squad back then there really aren't many massive holes in it. Hindsight will tell us that we should have been ruthless in certain areas, probably most with Dembele having a year left on his deal but the reality is we had been proactive or at least tried to be, it's just the kids we hoped would crack it haven't taken their games to Adonis levels which, mixed with injuries and a genuine lack of form for players like Vertonghen, Aurier, Wanyama, Dier, Dele, Eriksen etc has battered us hard.
Do I think that the summer of 2018 could have been dealt with better? Yes I do 100% but I still stick by my belief that no players signed and money kept for future investment made more sense than seeing us blow our loads on players we didn't really fancy thus leaving us hamstrung for future windows. We gambled on a Grealish deal, spurned the likes of Maddison in favour of him and it didn't work out like windows do sometimes. We've given too many too long to come good which you need to sometimes it's just a shame we haven't seen a couple kick on at a time where others have regressed.
1-2 in that window perhaps but we didn't require major surgery like I see us requiring now.
Holy fuck I just realized something (I'm gonna sound like a idiot):
We are in the CL knock out stages facing the very best teams in Europe, where every win requires 110% and we won't even have a proper striker to play. Not a single one for all of those games.
I don't mind not having a striker and having to do a "Plan B type of game plan" against the Middlesboros or even Watfords of this world but damn not having a striker for those European nights sounds downright irresponsible.
We are in the CL knock out stages facing the very best teams in Europe, where every win requires 110% and we won't even have a proper striker to play. Not a single one for all of those games.
I don't mind not having a striker and having to do a "Plan B type of game plan" against the Middlesboros or even Watfords of this world but damn not having a striker for those European nights sounds downright irresponsible.
Whatever happens we know that we won’t have Kane, and the step down in quality to any striker we can sign in jan could be comparable not having a striker at all.
Although I’m with you that we defo need one.
I don’t believe you watch Serie A to the point you have seen enough of Inter Milan to form a conclusive opinion on Vecino.
Sorry I just don’t.
I love football and watch 5 or 6 PL games on a weekend.
Then there’s the CL and the odd Champo game.
I don’t believe you people watch enough random leagues to have the same insight as you do on Spurs players. Because to do that, you would have to watch them as much as you do Spurs.
I think you play computer games. It’s a bit silly pretending otherwise.
That’s why you seem to think Dele and Sessegnon are playing well, because the career graphs look good
Cancelo has moved around quite a bit in recent years. I'm sure he'd like to go to a club where he can settle in and not have to battle with another top RB. We can offer that plus I'm sure working with Jose is appealing to him. I could definitely see him having interest in coming here but no clue if City is at all willing to sell to us.
Dani Olmo to AC Milan for £26 million? Seems like something we should be all over.
City don't fuck about, I think they rather "bleed out" those wages to a bench warmer than have the ever littlest chance of helping a rival
I don’t think I’ve seen a single youth watcher recommend Paris Maghoma gets game time.
So when a youth product gets given a chance and does well, that proves that people who say that the best youth players should get chances are wrong to suggest that?
Much better for evolution of the team to give experienced purchased players like Aurier and Sissoko that development time eh? We are so much better off now.
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