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Transfers January 2020 transfer thread

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Its not about being fine or not. Its about how much can you afford to turn down.

For a player at peak value. They cant turn down 1/3 of annual revenue.

Just like I doubt we would turn down 150m for a 28 year old harry kane if it ever came up.
That's as maybe, the fact is they wouldn't be selling their highest goalscorer over the past three and a half years if the player hadn't expressed a wish to leave.
 

I do share his opinion for the most part, but his arguments sometimes are a bit wack.

In my opinion it's a bit paradoxical that he thinks that he is in a position to criticize Poch and that the ones he doesn't agree with regarding Levy aren't. (Yeah I do admit this is a rough interpretation)

In the end, Poch and Levy were both part of the problems we faced, neither was 0% or 100% responsible
 
I do share his opinion for the most part, but his arguments sometimes are a bit wack.

In my opinion it's a bit paradoxical that he thinks that he is in a position to criticize Poch and that the ones he doesn't agree with regarding Levy aren't. (Yeah I do admit this is a rough interpretation)

In the end, Poch and Levy were both part of the problems we faced, neither was 0% or 100% responsible
This is where I land. Levy should have forced a DoF into the structure and spent far more cash beefing up our scouting and analytics departments. That blame is entirely at his feet.

But Poch was not a great identifier of young talent, either in the club or outside of it. The entire core of his best teams were at the club by the end of summer 2015 prior to him getting the Manager title. He was great at getting the absolute most out of players, but not so great and understanding who those players should be.
 
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Soo.. how good have adama traora has become !

just last summer it seem everyone was laughing and criticize hes end product . just show how you need to let young player with potential to play and evolve and not bash them over mistake or 2 .. (foyth, sess)
This is a bad take. You've taken a specific situation and generalized it in an attempt to make bad reasoning, sound. Similarly, those that dismissed a young player with superior athletic ability based on conventional wisdom were wrong too.

Adama Traore had threat, massive threat that was always there. Only a fool could not see it. Sure, his end product was wonky (still not great but has improved) but he disrupted teams and had a certain set of skills that were unplayable, skills that were beyond that of other players in the league. The reason you wait on/nurture that type of situation is because if he does put it together then you've got something. This is not a situation where you wait out mistakes so the player is ultimately able to make the bench.

This is similar to early Walker and his brainfarts. You persist with that because the raw materials are such that when/if he becomes more consistent his ability will shut down your whole right flank. And if your manager cannot gameplan with 1 side of the field shutdown he is shit or you've got other problems.

Persisting with someone like KWP and hoping he puts it together gets you where? When/if he puts it together what do you have? When he hits top form what benefits does a team expect to derive?

I've only posed those last questions as a means of comparison and not given my opinion. Each can answer for themselves but I will say that at no point ever will KWP carry as much threat as Traore or be as defensively imposing as Walker and that just goes back to the raw materials.

So your initial point neglects to consider the upside and time relative to benefit of waiting on a young player and the opportunity cost therein.
 
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