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Transfers January 2020 transfer thread

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Park Lane Mark Twain said:
Which 2 strikers would you add and at what cost to have something similar to what we had with Berba, Defoe and Keane?
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Not sure it would bring the same high fire rate that those lads brought but a decent option as a striker that I would go for would either be Piatek, a classic fox in the box sniper. Or Sebastian Andersson, a tall but mobile target man that can cause issues in the opposing defensive line and create room for our other strikers.

One of those as a partner/rotation for Kane would be decent.
 
FightingIllini said:
Ah good, we agree.

It's all quite simple really. If the team isn't performing up to its wage bill, blame the manager. If the wage bill isn't commensurate with revenue, blame the chairman.

If a manager massively overachieves his wage bill, but the colossal revenue growth he enables is not reinvested into the squad, spend your whole fucking life listening to faux-clever bores lick the chairman's boots because they have some bizarre fetish for the capital class.
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What if a manager didn’t massively over achieve though and actually underachieved.

Leicester won the title.

Poch couldn’t do with a prime Kane, Toby, Dele, Eriksen and Jan, what Ranieri could with Vardy, Morgan, Huth, Drinkwater and Gray.

People will try and sweep history under the carpet. But we didn’t lose the title to Chelsea or City or Liverpool or Utd.

Leicester won the title.
We spent more than Leicester. We had higher wages than Leicester. We had better players and a better manager supposedly.

What’s the reason here? We came third.
Can you explain how spending affected us when we finished above all the big teams bar Woolwich and lost the title to relegation fodder.
 
FightingIllini said:
We are without investment. I share some of your optimism that investment is on the way, but it's not going to be as easy as Poch made it look.

Time to get to work building Jose's Spurs.
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without investment in the playing staff. Infrastructure has been built and the foundations laid. Sure, investment in the players has been too short in recent years but don't be asking for literally everything today while berating the so-called "capital class". I don't make any money from Tottenham. Quite the opposite.
 
FightingIllini said:
To be clear, I'm optimistic the club will spend money, not necessarily that it will translate into the success we've seen in recent years. We've been flying miles above our man-for-man quality level, and some of the best of those guys are aging out of their primes.

And yeah, we definitely invested in the summer, and landed some impressive targets, at least one of which (Ndombele) looks the kind of player you can build a team around.

I'm hopeful, I wouldn't say confident, but hopeful.

But some of the narratives that have sprouted up around Levy and especially Poch vis a vis Levy really chap my ass.
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Equally, one can find a load of bollocks spouted to either exonerate Poch from certain flaws and exaggerate those of Levy/ENIC (and with that of our new manager too)...

I think there's truth be be found in the balance somewhere.... So much of the surrounding debate is regrettably presented from such polar extremes.




I appreciate the measured and mature responses. :mourthumb:
 
sammyspurs said:
What if a manager didn’t massively over achieve though and actually underachieved.

Leicester won the title.

Poch couldn’t do with a prime Kane, Toby, Dele, Eriksen and Jan, what Ranieri could with Vardy, Morgan, Huth, Drinkwater and Gray.
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You are arguing with Poch purists.

It was all him, they forget about his first season here where we played AVB football for the first half out of it and where he himself thought that he would be sacked had we not beaten Villa. We scraped 5th on the final day.

It was only after the emergence of Kane ( was already there but chose to play Ade ahead of at the start), arrival of Alderwield, Ali, Son the following season ( none of which he was responsible for) and where he finally started to play Dembele ahead of Mason and Bentalb that we looked a top side.

The moment that team matured we completely collapsed but hey he is magic don’t you know?
 
FightingIllini said:
but it's not going to be as easy as Poch made it look.
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I like Poch as much as the next fella, but he wasn't solely responsible for everything great that has happened to this club. He had, without doubt, the greatest side we have had in the last three decades or so and won nothing. He didn't take us from languishing at the bottom of the table to suddenly breaking into the Top 4. We were hovering around fifth and sixth, and he established us a genuine contenders.

But, again, we were only ever contenders. We never won.

He did some fantastic things, especially weathering us through Wembley, but it was the end of the cycle. The only way you can refresh a cycle is if you win something. Managers don't stick around unless they win. That's not even a judgement on the manager; it's just how things work.
 
FightingIllini said:
No. I will never as long as I live be able to explain how Leicester City went off at 5000-1 and took home the title at a canter. The biggest sports miracle I've ever seen and I suspect I will ever see.
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They won because they played without fear, didn’t think they were elite, and developed a dangerous winning mentality.

Something Poch could never fully instill, as he himself doesn’t have one.
 
Park Lane Mark Twain said:
We have a lot of assets that will bring in fees. How much do you think teams would stump up for players like Davies, Sanchez, Winks etc? I fancy a few clubs would pay decent wedge for a fair few of our not so major players.

I'm fascinated to see what KWP goes for, I bet we get a decent slab for him from somewhere once he's offski.
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Davies and Winks are worth fuck all. We would be lucky to get our money back on Dave.
If we could actually get decent money for Winks I'd be all over it, he's a waste of space. Davies is every bit the £3m or so we paid for him. The reason KWP is still here is because no one wants to pay anywhere near what Levy thinks a player who doesn't make out bench is worth.

If we sold all of them it would barely be enough to buy one decent player.

I'd keep Dave just because he looks like he could be a decent defender with some coaching.
 
Matt1882 said:
Davies and Winks are worth fuck all. We would be lucky to get our money back on Dave.
If we could actually get decent money for Winks I'd be all over it, he's a waste of space. Davies is every bit the £3m or so we paid for him. The reason KWP is still here is because no one wants to pay anywhere near what Levy thinks a player who doesn't make out bench is worth.

If we sold all of them it would barely be enough to buy one decent player.

I'd keep Dave just because he looks like he could be a decent defender with some coaching.
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Ben Davies was £11m or so, not £3m. We got near on £20m for Wimmer, I'm pretty sure Winks with HG status, an England international and someone who's played in a Champions League final is worth more than 'fuck all' as you claim.

Davies, Winks, Sanchez, easily over €100m worth of business there if we wanted and if we negotiated like we know Levy can. Not that it matters as we won't sell any of them but it's surprising you rate Davies, a full international at £3m. How much do you reckon we could and will get for Walker-Peters then? Curious to know.
 
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