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Transfers January 2023 Transfer Thread. The Big One

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Sir Archibald Crooks said:
I would. He doesnt want to be here and i think the players have picked up on that. Everything he says now is about covering his back. Its on Levy mainly, we had another shite summer but we havent performed for months. He has less points in his last 10 league games than Nuno in his 10. 13 against 15. That will probably be 10 pts from the last 10 games after Thursday. Thats relegation form. Add in its unwatchable and has been all season.
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I think the injuries have impacted us much more than people are willing to accept. I don't think Conte doesn't wanna be here, I think he's frustrated but the guy is suffering in the same way we are. I still think the players are giving it their all but confidence is fragile and they're making individual errors and going behind in games is hurting them.

We'll lose on Thursday I expect but that's hardly a disgrace, we've lost to City with better teams than this one. There's such a long way to go and we're 5th, I don't think we've a guy ready to come in nor do we want to bring one in after the window, that would be madness.

Agree the footy isn't easy on the eye but it's better than anything Nuno or Jose dished up. Remember Jose's last season and Nuno footy - it was diabolical compared to now, gave us Conference footy and no hope.

Levy brought him in and knew what he was getting - if he scapegoats Conte now he's getting away with murder.

Back him or sack him, it's the only way.
 
For better or worse said:
how? As in, if he's worth that? If he's not, is he suddenly the player we need at £35m?

If we're paying between £25m-£45m for a player, they better be who we need and want as any salary and resale will cripple us again.

A punt is £10m-£15m...
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The price for Porro is currently being set by the release clause, not market value. Release clauses are the price at which a club is willing to lose a player without any recourse. They don’t represent the price the market would set for a player - they are nearly always higher.

I can’t understand how people are saying « «if a player if worth 35m then he is always worth 45m ». What kind of ridiculous fantasy is this?
 
bus-conductor said:
You’d think. But then it took a bunch of injuries and nobody senior left to play before he gave Gil a couple of starts.

Conte’s definitely wouldn’t be the first manager reluctant to play young players or players he’s deemed not « his » signings, regardless of training or the lack of quality/performance from senior players. But he is pretty renowned for it.
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I think he plays based on maturity, ability, attitude and readiness to carry out his desired style etc. Kulu isn't much older than Gil but he went straight in. Sarr played ahead of Yves and Skipp on Sunday.

He's under immense pressure and in the results business - I understand his reticence if he's unsure, especially when he has 2 others for the same position. We really shouldn't have 3 poor quality RB's and their recruitment isn't on Conte.
 
LeParisien said:
The price for Porro is currently being set by the release clause, not market value. Release clauses are the price at which a club is willing to lose a player without any recourse. They don’t represent the price the market would set for a player - they are nearly always higher.

I can’t understand how people are saying « «if a player if worth 35m then he is always worth 45m ». What kind of ridiculous fantasy is this?
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In my opinion Levy would have negotiated on Haaland if he thought we had a chance of getting him, he can’t help himself . Quite often release clauses are expensive when negotiations take place and the price is set , within 1 or 2 years look cheap
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
In my opinion Levy would have negotiated on Haaland if he thought we had a chance of getting him, he can’t help himself . Quite often release clauses are expensive when negotiations take place and the price is set , within 1 or 2 years look cheap
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Quite often release clauses are an expensive waste of money, purposely set at an unreasonable rate by the selling club to detract buyers and ensure that if it is met then the selling club wins.

Is Gavi worth 1bn? Was Joao Felix worth €127m?

The fact is the release clause is set with intention at a rate higher than market value so that the selling club has control. Just because a small number later turn out to have been set too low, does not change that fact.
 
LeParisien said:
Quite often release clauses are an expensive waste of money, purposely set at an unreasonable rate by the selling club to detract buyers and ensure that if it is met then the selling club wins.

Is Gavi worth 1bn? Was Joao Felix worth €127m?

The fact is the release clause is set with intention at a rate higher than market value so that the selling club has control. Just because a small number later turn out to have been set too low, does not change that fact.
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You missed Neymar at £198m which PSG paid in full. Shocking. Absolutely disgusting stuff from their Qatari owners*


*Unless they invest in us too and then I'm all for it. Smart Business.
 
LeParisien said:
The price for Porro is currently being set by the release clause, not market value. Release clauses are the price at which a club is willing to lose a player without any recourse. They don’t represent the price the market would set for a player - they are nearly always higher.

I can’t understand how people are saying « «if a player if worth 35m then he is always worth 45m ». What kind of ridiculous fantasy is this?
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Yes. Exactly.

There’s a release clause.

If we have a problem with it, we should move on.
 
Oracle said:
You missed Neymar at £198m which PSG paid in full. Shocking. Absolutely disgusting stuff from their Qatari owners*


*Unless they invest in us too and then I'm all for it. Smart Business.
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Great example. They set it so high, never expecting anyone to pay the release clause. They’ve learned from that and now have six players with release clauses set at 1bn.

Clue: Barcelona don’t have 6 players valued at 1bn.
 
Lol @ the apologism.

Of course Porro is worth 45m. He's crucial to Sporting, we have a dearth of quality in his position & there is a lack of quality options at RWB who are available to us. He is young, has played well in Europe & offers precisely what we need in that role. It's not 2012, this is the market price for talent. Look at all the other big talents who left Portugal - Fernandes, Nunez, Dias etc. All over 40/50m.

Top clubs pay release clauses/over the odds to get their man all the time anyway, it's what they do because they understand that getting them in rather than wasting months haggling for 5/10m is beneficial and helps the team win trophies.

If we think this player is someone who makes a difference, then 45m is fair. If not then fucking move on from negotiations. Was Ben White worth 50m? No. But Woolwich paid and now he's key to them. We haven't spent a penny all window, we're hundreds of millions off FFP rules and we have money, yet some of our fucking fans sit around wanting to help the owners count pennies.
 
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