Totally agree. Think we'll need to try Bergvall in a deeper role beside one of them in the next home game where the opposition is happy to play for a draw.
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Player João Palhinha
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Reijnders is an 8 that almost plays 10, closer to Gundogan with an engine and legs. MacAllister isn't a DM either.
Palinha against Rodri, Gravenberch, Caicedo, and I guess Zubimendi or Norgaard in the big 6 clubs.
Up to you how you'd rate him against those guys.
You're not really getting much of an upside with Bentancur, he attempts slightly more forward passes but he has a worse success rate which means he's giving the ball away more often - whilst Palhinha will look after the ball a bit better in that regard.
Bentancur is a far better 8 in a counter attacking system, he's good at ball carrying and box crashing, that's it really.
Wow, that chart doesn't make good reading for either of them.
If ever there was a chart to show exactly how much passing ability we lack in central midfield with a JP and RB combo, it's that one. Look at the carrying as well, niether of them are going to progress the ball with a carry either.
Palhinha ahead of Zubimendi, Rejinders or MacAllister is genuinely unhinged mate. Proper just out there stuff.
It's hilarious that the Tel fanclub is out in force against JP
How about your forward actually puts the ball in the onion bag?
How about Kudus (who I agree is very good) actually scores the odd goal?
Instead of relying on Palhinha for goals. Which we absolutely are.
He's a ball winning 6
He's very good in the air and very physical. Both super important attributes these days. You may have noticed.
He also knows where the rigging is ... unlike too many of our (more expensive) signings.
He's not prime Rodri or Dembele. Never will be. Yes he is more limited in ball carrying and passting. But he is a steal on the terms we got him from Bayern.
How about your forward actually puts the ball in the onion bag?
How about Kudus (who I agree is very good) actually scores the odd goal?
Instead of relying on Palhinha for goals. Which we absolutely are.
He's a ball winning 6
He's very good in the air and very physical. Both super important attributes these days. You may have noticed.
He also knows where the rigging is ... unlike too many of our (more expensive) signings.
He's not prime Rodri or Dembele. Never will be. Yes he is more limited in ball carrying and passting. But he is a steal on the terms we got him from Bayern.
Read up the thread and you'll see I was responding to a fairly random selection of MFs
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Romero takes ages to make a pass.
He's trying to press bait.
I cant agree with that take on Palhinha being ahead of those 4 players you mentioned... but its your opinion and your entitled to it... agree we need the LW and 10 sorted which is a complete travesty when you consider we've just come out of a transfer window.
You are just naming 2 midfielders on each squad. Reijnders hasn’t played the 6 all season. Both Chelsea players you named are starters - and they aren’t even better than we are. Then you just name a bunch of players and say they are all better than Palhinha even though half don’t even play the same position.
That’s not debating, that’s you just saying shit and pretending it’s true because you said it.
Yeah i wasnt sure about him and thought we needed a bit more of a deep lying playmaker but so far he's been excellent, not for the first time i dont see how thats even controversial. No idea if i'd make it permanent but right now i'd say its the least of our worries. LW, CF, No 10, and even keeper much bigger issues.
He does indeed. And while I get the point re movement (by both teams), the problem is he predictably takes ages.
That said, he is one of the best passers in the team
Sadly I think it might be a case of "never the same after an injury". Time and circumstances move on and unless he shows really good form in the next couple of months, I think we should offload and massively upgrade with an elite 8 when we can (likely next summer)
That is the reality. Good servant and was a top player under Conte. But he's average at best in the league now and an easy first team player to upgrade on. He wouldn't start for any top team in the league including Villa and Newcastle.
Betancur is what he is - an above average player. He's good enough to be in a squad with our ambitions, but not good enough to be a regular starter.
He's had patches of great form. What separates average players from good players from great players is how consistently they can deliver high quality play.
Said before the summer, one of he and Bissouma needed to go. Think they're both playing for a new contract this season and only 1, if that, should get one. At this point, its doubtful either will - both look likely to go on a free in June.
It has been reported today that Bentancur is officially being offered a new contract
You are an absolute fucking moron. And I truly and fully mean it.
Truly and painfully stupid.
"Once the goals dry up you will see a player who offers very little"?!?
NO ONE. And I repeat NO ONE (well, except for you) is rating him MAINLY about his goals ffs. Goals are icing on the cake. Nice extra on top.
Go back and watch games against PSG and Manchester City as an example. You keep throwing around words like "mediocre" and "we need better than that", yet in the defensive role he was one of the best players in the league before going to Bayern. And is getting up there (still improving game by game btw!) now as well. But you don't understand that. Cause you've got no idea that football is a teamsport. That one player can contribute with defensive contribution and others with more offensive one. Maybe stop for a moment and think what he would look like if he'd be paired up with Modric (in the form he was when he was with us). We'd really need a progressive pass-master in the center too, but unfortunately Bentancur is not that and Sarr-Bergvall are both bright players that still are not quite up there.
Neither do you have any slightest clue how building a squad works. You literally suggest to flog him and get "someone better", without once stopping to think that since Dembele-Wanyama-Parker he is the best holding midfielder we have had. And you benchmark him against 100 mil players. No one is claiming him to be best midfielder in history of game, but if you want to build a strong team, then you so obviously keep the best player in the position for last 10 years AND THEN TRY TO BRING ON SOMEONE EVEN BETTER. Not to first ship off the current best option in blind hope that the next one will be the lord and savior.
And as last point - again- getting back to zero-clue-about-teamsport - you can also go back to watching the poorer games. Like Wolves or Bournemouth. And then think - should game management and control be a team-effort or be blamed on one single person? Cause both of them were awful team performances. When you have a ST to whom the ball does not stick. And if you have one attacking player that can retain possession (that can be marked out of the game if there is no support) and we fail to keep the tempo, is it realistic to pin it down on the defensive anchor (specially considering we conceded 1 goal in both of those) of the game? Or should 9 other outfield players be maybe doing more pressing, ball-retention?!? But no, you don't ask this. Cause you have tunnel vision. And complete blindness about everything else.
Well, good. Athletic got to conclusion most Spurs fans understood in the last month of summer window already.
Though I really hate that it is labelled "Tottenhams PALHINHA problem" - full clickbait news and they even say in the article that it is not Palhinha issue. It is -
1) Palhinha + Bentancur combination issue (!)
2) and what they do not say but what I've said for few weeks now- it is formation issue too.
4-3-3 with Palhinha + Bentancur is ultra-conservative. But that does not make it a Palhinha problem. It makes it overall selection problem.
Use CM duo instead of trio and put Xavi into middle area. And then pair Palhinha with Bergvall who can pass it better and carry it. Or with Sarr who can carry it and win it back higher than others. Literally Palhinha is least of the problems here.