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Player João Palhinha

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Carragher was 100% correct.

In this era of constant pressing and baiting the press you cannot afford to have any passengers in possession.

Brennan gets criticised. Danso and Dragusin get it too. Vicario as well. This Pink square spammer isn’t above reproach.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
Carragher was 100% correct.

In this era of constant pressing and baiting the press you cannot afford to have any passengers in possession.

Brennan gets criticised. Danso and Dragusin get it too. Vicario as well. This Pink square spammer isn’t above reproach.
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You can if you have other players to make up for it. We don't have those.

Hating on some of our best players is so fucking stupid and it's all over this forum.
 
bonaspur23 said:
You can if you have other players to make up for it. We don't have those.

Hating on some of our best players is so fucking stupid and it's all over this forum.
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He’s currently not one of our bigger problems but there’s a reason Bayern very quickly dumped him, he is incredibly limited in possession and not a single elite side on the planet has a destroyer type midfielder.

Most teams now have transitioned to all rounder midfields or will use a Rodri type there if anything. Palhinha just isn’t a fashionable profile of player nowadays, being really efficient and good for Fulham under a defensive coach will probably always be his career peak in performances.
 
bonaspur23 said:
You can if you have other players to make up for it. We don't have those.

Hating on some of our best players is so fucking stupid and it's all over this forum.
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If he’s one of our best players then we’re in a dark place.

For comparison:

Wanyama - press resistant, good ball carrier

Dier - Good long passer & deep crosser

Sandro - good ball carrier, able to pass between the lines

Parker - press resistant, able to pass between the lines.

Huddlestone - wonderful passer from deep

Even 20 years ago Carrick played as our DM and was basically the playmaker of the team.
 
Deuterz said:
He’s currently not one of our bigger problems but there’s a reason Bayern very quickly dumped him, he is incredibly limited in possession and not a single elite side on the planet has a destroyer type midfielder.

Most teams now have transitioned to all rounder midfields or will use a Rodri type there if anything. Palhinha just isn’t a fashionable profile of player nowadays, being really efficient and good for Fulham under a defensive coach will probably always be his career peak in performances.
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The best teams have always required their DM to be a good footballer. This is nothing new. Said it before but Palhinha should be seen like an Adama Traore - Elite at one particular thing but with very horrible limitations.
 
Current ‘top’ sides midfields for context (or similar rotations).

McAllister, Gravenberch, Wirtz

Zubimendi, Rice, Odegaard

Rodri, Rejinders, Foden

Pedri, De Jong, Lopez

Goretzka, Kimmich, Musiala

Bellingham, Valverde, Tchouameni.

Basically, dynamism is the name of the game. Midfields that can do a bit of everything and also pass forwards.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
If he’s one of our best players then we’re in a dark place.

For comparison:

Wanyama - press resistant, good ball carrier

Dier - Good long passer & deep crosser

Sandro - good ball carrier, able to pass between the lines

Parker - press resistant, able to pass between the lines.

Huddlestone - wonderful passer from deep

Even 20 years ago Carrick played as our DM and was basically the playmaker of the team.
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Fucksake, this is most full-idiot revisionism I have seen in months.

I remember vert well how players like peak Wanyama and peak Sandro played.
They were LOT WORSE on the ball than Palhinha. But in golden past everything shines so much brighter.

While you are at it, please also say that Winston Palacios was much better on the ball than Palhinha and that Harry Winks defensive contribution clearly outshines Palhinha. Then everyting is perfect(ly absurd).

Put Palhinha next to midfielders like peak Dembele and/or peak Modric with peak Eriksen in front of them and the picture completely changes.

I am not saying that Palhihna would have his limitations, but it is a team game. One's deficiencies have to be mitigated with strength of others. But he is paired up with Bentancur who does not do that at all (and is in fact inferior to Palhinha in every possible way).
 
Deuterz said:
Current ‘top’ sides midfields for context (or similar rotations).

McAllister, Gravenberch, Wirtz

Zubimendi, Rice, Odegaard

Rodri, Rejinders, Foden

Pedri, De Jong, Lopez

Goretzka, Kimmich, Musiala

Bellingham, Valverde, Tchouameni.

Basically, dynamism is the name of the game. Midfields that can do a bit of everything and also pass forwards.
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You forgot possibly the best group Vitinhna, Ruiz, Neves & Zaire-Emery (PSG also had a very similar player to Palhinha in Manuel Ugarte and got rid of him after a year)

You can’t just tackle and do nothing else.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
You forgot possibly the best group Vitinhna, Ruiz, Neves & Zaire-Emery (PSG also had a very similar player to Palhinha in Manuel Ugarte and got rid of him after a year)

You can’t just tackle and do nothing else.
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Yeah I realised after posting that I’d managed to miss out the European champions..

Chelsea too - Caicedo, Enzo, Palmer. Caicedo does all the tackly stuff whilst also doing loads of everything else. He made our midfield look insanely pedestrian.

Palhinha is fine as a stop gap while we stabilise/transition but never should we give him a permanent contract or rely on him.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
You forgot possibly the best group Vitinhna, Ruiz, Neves & Zaire-Emery (PSG also had a very similar player to Palhinha in Manuel Ugarte and got rid of him after a year)

You can’t just tackle and do nothing else.
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He's our 3rd leading scorer at the moment.

This team is not good and is much worse without him. All that needs to be said.

If we had a team that was near as good as any of the teams you listed, you may have a point. But we don't, so you have no point.
 
I am amazed that Palhinha is the one getting criticism and not Bentancur who does absolutely fuck all.

At least Pal can tackle and win the ball. His positioning is top draw.

The problem is who he is partnered with. Sure to improve, Palhinha would eventually need to be upgraded, but he's far from an issue right now.

Bentancur is the issue.

Carragher saying that because no other PL clubs signed him, means he isn't any good, is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard.

Since when does a player become bad because no other PL clubs signed him? Is Carragher talking about when Palhinha left Fulham? Bayern made him their top target and he wanted Bayern, so any other club interest is irrelevant.

I don't disagree with Carragher's general argument, but he's focussing on the wrong player. Bentancur is in that chart and excels at absolutely nothing.

But the line he trotted out that because no other PL clubs signed him, it means he's not good enough, is total bollocks.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Fucksake, this is most full-idiot revisionism I have seen in months.

I remember vert well how players like peak Wanyama and peak Sandro played.
They were LOT WORSE on the ball than Palhinha. But in golden past everything shines so much brighter.

While you are at it, please also say that Winston Palacios was much better on the ball than Palhinha and that Harry Winks defensive contribution clearly outshines Palhinha. Then everyting is perfect(ly absurd).

Put Palhinha next to midfielders like peak Dembele and/or peak Modric with peak Eriksen in front of them and the picture completely changes.

I am not saying that Palhihna would have his limitations, but it is a team game. One's deficiencies have to be mitigated with strength of others. But he is paired up with Bentancur who does not do that at all (and is in fact inferior to Palhinha in every possible way).
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Paulinha is a DM, win the ball back, break shit up, pass it onto the creatives...

His not a one man football team, and he doesn't need to be like Ronaldinho either.

He does his job, and he does it well.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Fucksake, this is most full-idiot revisionism I have seen in months.

I remember vert well how players like peak Wanyama and peak Sandro played.
They were LOT WORSE on the ball than Palhinha. But in golden past everything shines so much brighter.

While you are at it, please also say that Winston Palacios was much better on the ball than Palhinha and that Harry Winks defensive contribution clearly outshines Palhinha. Then everyting is perfect(ly absurd).

Put Palhinha next to midfielders like peak Dembele and/or peak Modric with peak Eriksen in front of them and the picture completely changes.

I am not saying that Palhihna would have his limitations, but it is a team game. One's deficiencies have to be mitigated with strength of others. But he is paired up with Bentancur who does not do that at all (and is in fact inferior to Palhinha in every possible way).
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Sandro & Wanyama both had identical Spurs careers - absolute dynamos before picking up bad knee injuries and were a shell of themselves when they returned. You see this with Bentancur as well. Come to think of it, this happened to Winks as too. He was finished once he lost that burst and agility he had.

I never mentioned Palacios because we have to put an asterisk over his career because of personal tragedies. His heart wasn’t in it after what happened.

For the sake of fairness, players like Zokora and Bissouma I put at the other end of the scale; good enough on the ball but too error prone: not switched on enough defensively.

You don’t sacrifice one for the other and vice-versa.
 
Oh and Bentancur is finished and I don’t want him in the team either. We’re capping our ceiling by playing both.

We’d have been better off getting a passing 6 and making Sarr and/or Bergvall doing the running around them
 
"...a passing sideways and backwards Bentancur..."

"... Bentancur who does absolutely fuck all... Bentancur is the issue."

"Bentancur is finished..."

Man of the Match yesterday. Would have been Man of the Match vs Everton too were it not for VDV's goals.
 
Let me get this straight, Palhinha is now the issue??? Hahahahahahahahahahaha man this place is quite incredible.

"All he does is tackle and nothing else"..ummmm you mean other then score as well?? I'm not surprised that's overlooked on here though going by the Johnson thread. Sorry how did he manage to score the 4 goals? How did he find himself in such attacking positions if all he offers is tackling.

Fml make the bullshit make sense.

Caicedo has 4 goals and 1 assist this season
Rice has 2 goals and 4 assists
Rodri 0 goals and 0 assists
Enzo 4 goals and 1 assist
McAllister 1 goal and 2 assists
Szoboszli 2 goals and 4 assists


Palhinha has 4 goals and 2 assists which is better then every fucker on there (I consider goals more valuable than assists). People just talk absolute bollocks and pretend to be this type of demi God football experts and find ways to belittle and criticise our players when they're playing well FFS. it's so fucking tedious.
 
He's supposed to be the water carrier that allows players with more flair to express their craft freely. It would be nice if he was also launching some 20 yrd passes with ease, making smooth half turns after receiving the ball in tight areas and so on, but that's nothing more than a truism.

Stopgap player is a valid concept, and he's one. He's keeping his end of the deal. If we could say that about more players on this team we would be in a much better position.
 
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