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Match K league 11 vs Tottenham Hotspur. Wed 31st July 12pm
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Crucial to this hyper-realised version of Ange-ball is that; if the following are the positions upon us losing the ball in attack:
LW -------------------- ST --------------------RW
L8 ------------------------ R8
LB ----- RB(*)
6
CB -------- CB
(*Whilst noting that the Inv-FB can and will still be called upon to overlap wide at times.)
L8 ------------------------ R8
LB ----- RB(*)
6
CB -------- CB
(*Whilst noting that the Inv-FB can and will still be called upon to overlap wide at times.)
.......Recovering the ball quickly and high up the pitch is essential. Otherwise the LB, RB & 2 x #8s are in no-mans-land. The lateral screening of the 6 is also crucial.
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In Ange ball the CB's are usually well forward when we are attacking.
So the no 6 needs to become more a part of a defensive 3 if we lose the ball high up - although this was not seen much last season, possibly because personnel were not disciplined enough to play it.
Still, the concern is that any loss of ball could depend on VDV footrace heroics.
Funnily; there's a vid just been posted in the Biss thread that talks about this.
I accept that we only had glimpses of final form Angeball last season (ironically mostly in the earliest games!); but the gaffa will be under increasing pressure if we don't get it this year.
I'm sure I read that out of possession we've been training in pre season with the 6 dropping into the back to make a back three...
Can be interpreted in two ways....... A bigger gap given the 6 won't be in the mid ground as above or the CBs in practice could be even higher to close said gap.
Its not a new idea - used to be used a lot in Spurs academy.
But it does depend on the DM being trained to instinctively drop into a defensive units with 2 CB's when under attack - and there's 2 variations one where all are in a straight line, the other with the central one (usually the DM) a few steps ahead of the 2 CB's ether side of him.
Good awareness to make sure he was onside as well.
Anywhere I could watch this game back?
The Spurs fans on X having a meltdown about Angeball being Kamikaze are doing my head in.
The Spurs fans on X having a meltdown about Angeball being Kamikaze are doing my head in.
Wonder how fans feel about loans next year. Should any of Donley, Lankshear or Moore going on loan or staying around the first team squad?
Not dissimilar to what Poch used to do with Dier; but the formation of the other 7 was significantly different.
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Moore is too young for a loan - not aged 17 until next month, so he'll train with and sometimes play with first team next season, topping up playing time with u21's if necessary (he's yet to make debut for u21's !)
Donley, Lankshear and Devine have both the physique and skill set to make appearances for first team - possibly better technically than some more experienced first team players.
If Spurs are going to play 6- games a season by going deep into cups, I can't see the current squad doing that, when they were struggling last season to play 40 games (extensive injuries to squad certainly didn't help)
But to ensure the youngsters are developing they probably need Ange to ensure they get a minimum of say 1,000 - 1,500 minutes each (11 to 16 games equivalent), Moore could do less (say 750 mins) as he's that much younger.
It’s the team structure as much as the players. We really only have VDV who can operate in this style. The FBs will have gone upfield and cuti doesn’t have the pace of VDV. It’s not just about second string players.
I've a feeling that this won't change much moving fwd..... Just a byproduct of modern football; accelerated by the impact of the recent Covid calendar, delayed Euro20, winter world cup etc. and compounded by more EL/CL fixtures and more int. football & extended WC/Euros.
But we know his not a LB never played there for U21s. How many goals and assists did he have for them last season. All from a more advanced forward position. His playing LB bcos we are tight and won’t go buy a proper lb. Ange is trying to convert him to play there but im not sure they actually do any coaching with him to play LB. His prbly just been told play like you were an attacking midfielder. His performance as a LB should be used as a judgement on his abilities.
All day long. What has veliz actually done to be ahead in the pecking order than young Will?
First 20 mins of the 2nd half are the worst. Think that was the only time we really lost control.
Skipp and Gray midfield did not go well.
If its a similar level of injuries to last season, in the short term the solution has to be t use more u21's in the first team squad. In the long term possibly increase squad sizes from 25 ........ which would be a problem for many clubs, especially those european clubs claiming they are broke
Staying!