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Ex-Spurs Player Kyle Walker-Peters

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He's proven to be pretty useful whenever he plays.

Just hasn't had luck. Regardless of how well he trains, Poch isn't going to drop a £20,000,000 right back and someone who he trusts in Trippier for a youngster. He's NEVER done this in the past without a view to selling one.

Aurier or Trippier will leave in the summer. Massive opportunity for him. Let's not forget AWB only got games at Palace because of injuries. KWPs only games for us have in the league or CL have come due to injuries too. Problem is our level of right back is alot higher than that over at Palace.

Maybe if we had a little more luck with the draws we've had in the cups he'd have seen more game time.

We've drawn Watford where we had to play them in Milton Keynes, along with West Ham away, Woolwich away, Chelsea with the 2nd & most important leg away, Tranmere away and Crystal Palace away.

Not a single domestic cup tie we've been able to play at our home away from home with only one of them drawn against a team in a lower league than us. Fuck me we really don't get much luck along the way do we?
 
Maybe if we had a little more luck with the draws we've had in the cups he'd have seen more game time.

We've drawn Watford where we had to play them in Milton Keynes, along with West Ham away, Woolwich away, Chelsea with the 2nd & most important leg away, Tranmere away and Crystal Palace away.

Not a single domestic cup tie we've been able to play at our home away from home with only one of them drawn against a team in a lower league than us. Fuck me we really don't get much luck along the way do we?

It's just a shame Poch didn't ride on the wave following his 3 assists. Each of these guys should be trying to make that position their own.

Trippier and Aurier should have had to work harder following that but alas its not how Poch works.

I'd put the failure of KWPs game time more down to Poch than the ability of KWP.. He's not the greatest with youth players is Poch, despite what the media might tell you.
 
Well maybe he’s deemed not good enough

Why don't we put the argument about KWP to bed next season by giving him a loan to somewhere like Brighton? A year of Premier League experience under his belt and I think it'll be far easier to see if the clubs been right holding him back from game days as frequently as they have done. If we go after Max Aarons why not offer KWP as a 12 month loan as a sweetener? Win/ win all around
 
It's just a shame Poch didn't ride on the wave following his 3 assists. Each of these guys should be trying to make that position their own.

Trippier and Aurier should have had to work harder following that but alas its not how Poch works.

I'd put the failure of KWPs game time more down to Poch than the ability of KWP.. He's not the greatest with youth players is Poch, despite what the media might tell you.

We've seen with in his limited apprearances this season that he has a long way to go. Big bollocks dropped against both Barcelona & Crystal Palace so maybe a loan wouldn't be a bad idea. Aarons in, KWP sent to Norwich for a season of cutting his teeth should they gain promotion?
 
His age is nothing.

Winks didn't break into our team as a true starter until he was 22. And it's taken Dembele to leave and Wanyama to be a permanent crock to really see him make that spot his own.

Kane didn't break into our team as a true starter until he was 22.

Luckily for us, like Kane and Winks, he's a Spurs lad so probably not itching to get away and tear it up for Dortmund or elsewhere abroad. Maybe Poch knows this and is telling him his time will come.
 
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Why don't we put the argument about KWP to bed next season by giving him a loan to somewhere like Brighton? A year of Premier League experience under his belt and I think it'll be far easier to see if the clubs been right holding him back from game days as frequently as they have done. If we go after Max Aarons why not offer KWP as a 12 month loan as a sweetener? Win/ win all around

Its part of a bigger issue which requires sorting.

When Poch first arrived he said he didn't like loans as the youngsters might pick up habits he didn't like (possibly true and perfectly reasonable from Poch) and that he would develop them at Spurs.

Problem is that whilst players who have had game time elsewhere are developed by Poch, only Winks has been developed (in 4 years) to playing regularly in the first team without having game time elsewhere - but we hope Skipp will double that total.

So as the club needs to have a minimum 4 Club trained players to get to a squad of 21, and an additional requirement to have up to 8 players trained by FA affiliated clubs (including the 4 specifically club trained) we are constantly a little light on numbers atm. So its in the club's interest to develop them - its just under Poch we seem to have largely lost that ability (whilst ManU, Liverpool, et al are doing better than Spurs)
 
His age is nothing.

Winks didn't break into our team as a true starter until he was 22.

Kane didn't break into our team as a true starter until he was 22.

Luckily for us, like Kane and Winks, he's a Spurs lad so probably not itching to get away and tear it up for Dortmund or elsewhere abroad. Maybe Poch knows this and is telling him his time will come.

FYI Winks made 33 appearances (mostly off the bench) in 2016/17 when aged 20.

Kane made a shed load of appearances aged 18/19/20 whilst on loan at Orient and Millwall of course

KWP has made about 4 appearances a year since he was 19, and a total of about a dozen until now.

Great if he starts playing regularly, but its a concern he never starts
 
Its part of a bigger issue which requires sorting.

When Poch first arrived he said he didn't like loans as the youngsters might pick up habits he didn't like (possibly true and perfectly reasonable from Poch) and that he would develop them at Spurs.

Problem is that whilst players who have had game time elsewhere are developed by Poch, only Winks has been developed (in 4 years) to playing regularly in the first team without having game time elsewhere - but we hope Skipp will double that total.

So as the club needs to have a minimum 4 Club trained players to get to a squad of 21, and an additional requirement to have up to 8 players trained by FA affiliated clubs (including the 4 specifically club trained) we are constantly a little light on numbers atm. So its in the club's interest to develop them - its just under Poch we seem to have largely lost that ability (whilst ManU, Liverpool, et al are doing better than Spurs)

Poch is evolving as a manager, he's realising that there's the perfect model in theory and then there's reality.

Take Edwards for example, in theory Poch can sit him down, teach him how to be and Edwards will take it on board and be a flier with us. The reality is some people need tough love or a wake up call and nothing is better for that than experience.

In theory Poch wants an institution at Spurs, he wants a hierarchy or power, a school of excellence and his way, his style engrained in them. The reality is the human level of the game, the greed,the ego, the lack of fear, maturity, different personalities and attitudes make that long term theory hard to achieve.

Edwards wouldn't listen so what do we do? Cut our ties with him or cut out his opportunity for brashness or a lack of desire to learn by throwing him the harsh reality that unless he does learn he'll end up at a level where he turns out for relegation fodder in the Dutch League year in, year out. It's got him away from his so called ego, lack of wanting to learn, his rumoured bad crowds, all the things Poch probably highlighted as problem areas for him as he tried to develop the player and the man at Hotspur way.

Experience changes thought processes. What Poch said when he first joined the club doesn't necessarily mean that his philosophy is still the same. I don't think KWP needs an attitude or a reality check but I do think he needs a run of games to develop his reputation for what he's capable of. He won't get that at Spurs it seems so trust that the kid is going to be OK, find a football club with a similar philosophy to how you want his development to continue and trust in process of it all. Pochettino is still a young manager, he's only managed a top club for 5 years now, he'll constantly change as he learns from the game
 
His age is nothing.

Winks didn't break into our team as a true starter until he was 22.

Kane didn't break into our team as a true starter until he was 22.

Luckily for us, like Kane and Winks, he's a Spurs lad so probably not itching to get away and tear it up for Dortmund or elsewhere abroad. Maybe Poch knows this and is telling him his time will come.

Both 20 when they broke into the first team and became regulars, and Kane had a stack of lower league games to boot. With them it was only their physique that needed to develop or they might have made the breakthrough as teenagers.

KWP has had the physique to play PL football for several years, just not the ability. I seem to remember him being offered a Dutch loan 2 or 3 years back but turned it down. If Poch really rated him he wouldn't have been offered such a loan. He chose to stay here and try and break into the first team but hasn't been able to. He'd be better off dropping down to the Championship and trying to make a career for himself. Would Poch be happy to keep him around as a back up to a back up option? Probably, but it's not gonna do him any good other than bolster his bank balance.

If we get out bid for AWB and he wants to go up north and get his house burgled then Max Aarons is getting rave reviews at Norwich and would be a lot cheaper.

If KWP can't get ahead of player who passes the ball into his own net then he's got not future here.
 
I'm talking under Poch.

Kane was 21 and even then he couldn't get in the team beyond a player who could barely score from open play to start off with. Again though, different positions. If you're scoring at the rate Kane was, you have to start him eventually.

By the age of 21. Winks started a whopping 2 Premier League games for us.

KWP has started also started 2. MOTM in both and 2 assists to his name. He's more than capable.

No one on this forum has a fucking clue about why he isn't starting. The fact Poch hasn't loaned him out (like rejects like Edwards and Onomah) suggests he rates him pretty highly. And considering Poch doesn't really seem to show care about most of our youngsters development, he also probably isn't the best judge of talent either.

Trippier or Aurier will leave in the summer and KWP will then be promoted to second choice right back, will get the rotation games like Aurier/Trippier are getting now and the opportunity to make the position his own.

Then again, this forum is full of people who wrote off Kane, wrote off Winks (and still do) so I'm not surprised they can't back one of their own once again.
 
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That's laughable considering what Trippier and Aurier have been serving all season

I disagree with Poch on this one and think he should be starting far more games, much like Winks got a push into the first team at the time. Boy is quality, ivm

I think he’s going to be better than both our RBs and Walker put together from what I’ve seen.

But I do believe that Poch is running his own long term show right now, and will not throw KWP to the wolves out of sheer desperation to pacify the fans.

It’s also clear that Poch rates Trippier and Aurier, for 23M is going to be second choice and has proven to be more than capable in europe.
So for me he’s either bedding him in next season and will give him a future here (that’s my view), or he doesn’t think he’s good enough.

Remember it was the same with a Winks too, and look at the player we ended up with.
 
I think he’s going to be better than both our RBs and Walker put together from what I’ve seen.

But I do believe that Poch is running his own long term show right now, and will not throw KWP to the wolves out of sheer desperation to pacify the fans.

It’s also clear that Poch rates Trippier and Aurier, for 23M is going to be second choice and has proven to be more than capable in europe.
So for me he’s either bedding him in next season and will give him a future here (that’s my view), or he doesn’t think he’s good enough.

Remember it was the same with a Winks too, and look at the player we ended up with.
I don't rate Winks at all - but his situation was different due to injuries

I also don't understand how Poch can honestly sit and look at the level of play of Trippier and Aurier and not think about giving KWP a chance - what harm could it possibly do? He's not 17 or anything and has been with us for ages
 
I don't rate Winks at all - but his situation was different due to injuries

I also don't understand how Poch can honestly sit and look at the level of play of Trippier and Aurier and not think about giving KWP a chance - what harm could it possibly do? He's not 17 or anything and has been with us for ages
I think it is a bit of a new sitaution for Poch as a manager. He's still fairly new to the job and learning and he's not exactly super experienced in dealing with established players and the egos that come with that. When he took over here he shifted majority of the established players out in favor of youngsters/"nobodies" that he could form and mold in his image and instill a sense of loyalty in.

Now here we are today and a lot of our little kids have grown into established CL players, starters for their national teams and bonafide stars. It could well be that Poch just doesn't know how to give KWP (and Serge) more game time without upsetting Trippier.

But that's for Poch to handle.
 
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