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Management Levy / €NIC. In or Out

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Levy / ENIC. In or Out

  • Levy / ENIC. We want you to stay

  • Levy / ENIC. Get out of our club

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John Thomas said:
I don't think anyone has suggested that. But it's a pretty convincing margin. You have to at least concede that
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No, not really. I'd suggest most people drawn to this thread are already heavily ENIC out. I avoid most ENIC\Levy threads because they descend into farce.

It's a small number of voters in a mostly self-selecting poll. It's like when Elon Musk tries to pass off a Twitter poll as something it isn't.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Do you work for ENIC?

My dude, we pay the highest ticket prices in the league, we are among the wealthiest clubs in Europe. If you remember we were in the elite mix of the super league clubs. We are not some plucky little underdog who can be content because uncle Dan sold us a champions league qualification dream for the past few seasons.

This clubs profile, fanbase and wealth demands silverware. It demands better than one trophy in ENIC s tenure.


top settling for mediocrity and dare to dream a little bigger. Nobody gives a fuck about regular CL qualification it's a small time mentality.

Last I checked our motto isn't "champions league qualification is our everything"
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He doesn't understand mate, he is one of those half and half scarf wearers, with the big clappy hand.
His moniker is"We have never had it so good" levy and proud.
 
:levystare: why does it not embarrass him, i know it's all about investment and returns for him. But as a businessman surely you want to be seen as winner also to bragg to your rich buddies about when you're out sailing or whatever.




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Ionman34 said:
That's the rub of it.

That's why I tend to laugh at these "ENIC outers" on here. They'll scream for change, but they'll only do it on an internet forum, looking to start fights with anyone who doesn't share their opinion, but shit scared to do anything constructive to effect that change. They'd rather claim to have "won an argument."

It's like watching the People's Front of Judea in a planning session.
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Sing in the stadium, make it uncomfortable, no chairman likes to be humiliated like that. Singing in the stadium is more meaningful than a protest unless the protest has huge numbers and that won’t happen with us.

Only protest in regard to Tottenham I have been too is the anti-Stratford one although technically I didn’t, I got sick on the way and had to go home.

And only one outside that was anti-Iraq war.
 
Ionman34 said:
I don't disagree there Raum, but any club in our position is only ever going to be bought by the super rich. As alluded to earlier, the potential buyout of Liverpool has gone quiet, but that doesn't mean that there aren't quite a few out there who may be interested in both, Chelsea had a number of bidders, if I remember correctly.

I think a large part of the interest is due to the exposure of the clubs. The likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd et al have enormous exposure worldwide, with huge fanbases. This likely influences any decision as any buyer would be looking at the revenue they'd realise over an extended period of time.

And this is what really worries me if ENIC were to sell. ENIC will realise their profits at the point of sale, they haven't leveraged the club in the way the Glazers did, and they haven't taken hundreds of millions out in dividends like the Glazers did, they've put it all back into the club to grow it. You'd have to be pretty naive to think that we'd get an altruistic new owner who'd do the same, as the same type of growth potential just isn't there. It's far more likely that they'd milk the club. They won't be fans, just investors looking for a profit, and our profits now are fairly large as it is.

The consensus of opinion is that the club requires change, and I can get on board with that, but I'd much rather that change came from ENIC than from a new owner who is far more likely to be a Glazer than an Abramovic.

Which side of the fence Boehly falls on we'll have to wait and see, but you'd have to be seriously deluded to believe he doesn't have a plan that'll net him profit on his investment. We've all seen that Chelsea are a money pit, and the longer he stays there, the more it will cost him, so how does he get that money back? It won't be from a sale as no one was prepared to pay what he paid, so why would they then shell out North of £7Bn?

Whereas we are currently a money printing enterprise, despite having less success than them, and we're less than a third of the price.
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I don't doubt there would be buyers for Liverpool. We'd definitely find someone to buy us, its just if you remove the sugar daddies + then the more projecty owners (like FSG) the pool is smaller. Owners like FSG bought a big name for cheap and turned it around because they had the sporting nous to do so, there's a lot of really 'clever' owners who know their shit when it comes to running a sporting operation who we'd sadly not be able to attract because they'd be priced out.

I don't think we'll see a Glazer again tbh. Haven't new rules come in since they took over? They essentially leveraged a buy-out and since have been milking the club. They're pretty unique in that respect, the only 'elite' club with owners like that. Easily the worst owners in the league and we'd have to be pretty unlucky to get anyone like them.

I don't think we need a mega billionaire or even someone ultra invested in the club. It would be nice to get the latter but it's not always going to happen. FSG are pretty distant & don't care about football but they implemented an actually effective moneyball structure at Liverpool, built the club around signing players who suited Klopp's philosophy & hired the right people (Edwards & co) to handle scouting and recruitment. They're not perfect but they've both managed, like ENIC, to massively improve Liverpool's revenue but are much more football focused.

We've seen some signs of this with the Paratici appointment & then matching that with Conte, but it still feels like the underlying structure isn't there. And the manager doesn't really feel fully wedded to said project anyway, so it all still feels short-term based & unstable. All this direction change and waste of what resources we do have whilst still milking the fans & lying to them about the style we want to go for is infuriating.
 
JimothySE23 said:
No, not really. I'd suggest most people drawn to this thread are already heavily ENIC out. I avoid most ENIC\Levy threads because they descend into farce.

It's a small number of voters in a mostly self-selecting poll. It's like when Elon Musk tries to pass off a Twitter poll as something it isn't.
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What would you suggest the true figure is then

Around 80/20 the other way?
 
John Thomas said:
What would you suggest the true figure is then

Around 80/20 the other way?
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I wouldn't even pretend to know.

I mean, there was an outburst of Levy Out chants last weekend but it wasn't universal and it just stopped after 2 minutes. Like, if the feeling was that strong and that deep I'd expect it not to peter out so quickly. I'd expect protests, banners, songs. Most people would probably embrace new ownership if it came, sure. I don't think there's any overwhelming love for ENIC or Levy, no matter how many silly name callers on this thread think so. Just no overwhelming feeling the other way either.
 
Kaz Hirai said:
hot news from the boardroom:

Hercules

Well-Known Member​


There is a lot of stuff which is very concerning I cannot reveal here, which nobody can dispute. We now need to make a stand.

This is not something I am doing because of a few knee jerks. I don’t do Twitter, and never will. But those of you who does, you need to start making it count. Bombard the club with emails. It is not about Conte. This is where many are totally misguided.

I have been sharing behind the scenes for a long while. And they can tell you I have never been wrong on this. The club is in a total mess. One person is causing this. And if you believe Poch or another manager is the answer, you are in for a rude awakening.

Let us unite as fans to drive Mr Daniel Levy out of our club.
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That settles it then. If Hercules is anti ENIC then we should all be praying they stay. Guy is a complete mug!
 
Kaz Hirai said:
hot news from the boardroom:

Hercules

Well-Known Member​


There is a lot of stuff which is very concerning I cannot reveal here, which nobody can dispute. We now need to make a stand.

This is not something I am doing because of a few knee jerks. I don’t do Twitter, and never will. But those of you who does, you need to start making it count. Bombard the club with emails. It is not about Conte. This is where many are totally misguided.

I have been sharing behind the scenes for a long while. And they can tell you I have never been wrong on this. The club is in a total mess. One person is causing this. And if you believe Poch or another manager is the answer, you are in for a rude awakening.

Let us unite as fans to drive Mr Daniel Levy out of our club.
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Sort of do believe he's ITK now.

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